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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:54 pm 
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No BS just facts. I have heard from a number of people that things like kino and negs make them look silly and they get nowhere with the girl.
Not really any meat to this statement. If I told a girl that a guy would do kino on her, of course she would say that she is immune and it would get him nowhere. If I told a girl that a guy was going to do NLP on a girl, she'd say the same thing.

To say that kino doesn't work is probably the worst thing that you can say when it comes to any aspect of seduction. Just about every part of PU you can make an argument about what does and doesn't work except for kino. If someone is coming across as a touchy-feely creep, it's more likely that they are touching a person that has no attraction for them.
The point is, a female will let you know through her body language when you can enter her space and start touching her. There's no need to worry about kino or breaking states and when to escalate kino. That just doesn't matter when you have built rapport. That will occur naturally in the flow of the conversation.

I think kino is the weakest part of any strategy towards seduction because you don't need to worry about any routines just simple conversation. Like I said, I have heard from guys who get some of the worse feedback from women using things like kino or negs. These things just aren't necessary.

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The point is, a female will let you know through her body language when you can enter her space and start touching her. There's no need to worry about kino or breaking states and when to escalate kino. That just doesn't matter when you have built rapport. That will occur naturally in the flow of the conversation.

I think kino is the weakest part of any strategy towards seduction because you don't need to worry about any routines just simple conversation. Like I said, I have heard from guys who get some of the worse feedback from women using things like kino or negs. These things just aren't necessary.
So how many women have you seduced without touching? More specifically, how many cold approaches have you made and used NLP without a single touch, and ended up making out with her?

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The point is, a female will let you know through her body language when you can enter her space and start touching her. There's no need to worry about kino or breaking states and when to escalate kino. That just doesn't matter when you have built rapport. That will occur naturally in the flow of the conversation.

I think kino is the weakest part of any strategy towards seduction because you don't need to worry about any routines just simple conversation. Like I said, I have heard from guys who get some of the worse feedback from women using things like kino or negs. These things just aren't necessary.
So how many women have you seduced without touching? More specifically, how many cold approaches have you made and used NLP without a single touch, and ended up making out with her?
Who said I seduced women without touching? I said that comes naturally in the flow of the conversation as you build rapport. There's no need to make efforts to escalate kino or break states. Why do you need a routine to do what comes naturally as you build rapport with a female?

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Who said I seduced women without touching? I said that comes naturally in the flow of the conversation as you build rapport. There's no need to make efforts to escalate kino or break states. Why do you need a routine to do what comes naturally as you build rapport with a female?
If you are performing NLP, you are doing a routine just to get to kino. In fact, you have to be trained to do NLP to include it into a "natural" conversation makes it unnatural in essence.

I'm not knocking you doing NLP if that's helping you seduce women. But to say that kino is unnecessary is just ridiculous. Doing a routine, doing it naturally, or doing NLP, you must get to kino to seduce a woman.

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You turned the relationship into a business contract where each party gains by exchanging two different services. You offer her the gay hair stylist act, listening to her every whim. She gives you her "untouchable" presence. Like an excited dog, you sit there and pant and try to lick her but once she sticks her finger at you, you sit back down like a good little dog and listen for her next command.

Girls don't make out with their gay hair stylists, not because those guys are gay, but because they sit there and listen and praise all day long. How is this exciting? But still . . . at least these guys get paid. You get nothing.

Imagine you could see the future. . . and you've seen that 100% without a doubt that you will never, ever have sex with her. . . would you consider your current relationship with her fun? Is this a "good friendship"? . . .

Forget the sex. Forget the touching. Just like the way a dog bone leads the dog to roll over and well . . . act like a dog, your dream/hope of having sex with her is leading you to act like her fucking pet. Stop it. Start having fun. Stop these useless conversations. Go out and do things together. You're forcing awkward physical touching out of thin air; the only people who do this are awkward 29 year old virgins who just read a book on kino. Real people touch each other all the time, in vary degrees, based on their real life situations, and their level of intimacy. It happens gradually. . . and each touch earns trust for the next move. Even people in their 8th year of marriage don't just "strategically" grab each other by the elbow for no reason.

If you kids go out and do something fun, you might cross the road, you might hold her hand briefly as a car goes by. You might tap her on the shoulder to point out a street performer. You might tug her elbow to look at the menu together. You might hug briefly after joke, after a dare, after getting tickets for a sold out show. These are the things that people in fun relationships do . . . this is what attracts.

Sitting there and nodding at her for an hour and then lunging your hand out to touch a body part is not so great. . .


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Kasabi , thanks for the post but hey let's say these things have more or less already happened how can I escelate from their ? That's the sticking point ...so yeah sure I might have hugged her once maybe during this year , wrapped my arms around her if she was tired , took her hand for the palm reading routine or the trust routine but really I am not going to wake with a level up any time soon which allows me to kiss her :P


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If these things already happened, you'd already be kissing her. If you hugged her "once" this year, it means you do not have the type of relationship that warrants hugs. You do not have the type of relationship that creates hand holding. You are having to force "touch" out of thin air as opposed to creating excitement and attraction and situations that would make her want to do all of these things.

I expected a little pushback... because that is what every young man does... your hormones drive you... there's nothing particularly wrong with that. But if you want to figure this out, you're going to have to accept that you're a newbie, and take a few steps back, and begin stepping in right direction... this is nothing. A good portion of forum's questions = exactly your predicament. "I am a player. I can pick up. I can open. I have girls all around me. I just cant get them to fucK me... so waz up?"

You can't "escalate from there" because "there" that you created is a girl- safe gay boy relationship. You'd have a better chance making out with a girl you just met. Stop. And start a better relationship.


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that's more or less what I already know , How can I drive this in the right direction ? How can I warrant hugs and create excitement and attraction and situations that would make her want to do all of these things. Since she is as young as I am and she has only kissed one guy does this mean I am kind of still in this with her ?


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I read some of these posts and all I have to say is WOW...JUST WOW

basic noob...you are either very, very delusional or something way worse. Let this shit go. It's been over a month!

This girl isn't interested and no matter how much you'd love to think she's playing hard to get...she's not because she really doesn't care about progressing with you. You're simply just a time killer and you keep thinking something can happen which makes you look a desperate fool (something women find annoying or hilarious depending on how much of a bitch they are)

I hate to say it, but you need to forget this girl and move on. Find another girl, you have the biggest case of oneitis I've ever seen NEVER even dated and you're still hooked!

Please just stop this and move on. I have so many techniques that could help in this area, but the situation that you are giving is obviously not going anywhere and if you took the advice from this forum you'd already be moved on. If you dated or were still dating I could give you some beneficial advice, but this is OVER


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:25 pm 
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My advice, forget Kino and forget the nonsense about not being nice. I have gotten more pussy and head by being the friend. It's better that way because there's no strings attached unless she starts catching feelings.

Also, you don't want to be seen as the creepy guy that's too touchy-feely. You also have to be nice to a girl to do push-pull. For instance, if you talk to a girl everyday when you see her then you don't talk to her when you see her, she will wonder what's wrong and are you mad at her. You then just make up some reason why you didn't speak. These little things condition her to miss your attention but you can't do this if you're seen as a jerk. So there's nothing wrong with being nice when it's part of your push-pull strategy.

Also, learn some NLP. It works better for me than some PUA techniques because I'm a Certified Hypnotherapist and NLP Specialist but it's less of a routine and just natural conversation with things like embedded commands, anchors and triggers.[/quote]

Urrrrgh....

Just....no

Your advice is the worst kind because it has sensible advice mixed in with BS.[/quote]

No BS just facts. I have heard from a number of people that things like kino and negs make them look silly and they get nowhere with the girl.

Mix it with NLP and it works much better because it's just natural conversation vs. a routine. You don't need kino to know when a girl wants to be touched. Body language and rapport is all you need and you don't have problems with a silly kino routine.

That also goes for negs.

Why waste time with all of that when you can just use NLP. In Hypnotherapy class you learn about the critical factor. If you weaken the critical factor you can then embed suggestions and use anchors in a much easier way. This is stuff that is tried and true and has it's Genesis with the Psychologist Milton Erickson.
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Where classical hypnosis is authoritative and direct and often encounters resistance in the subject, Erickson's approach is permissive, accommodating and indirect.[10] For example, where a classical hypnotist might say "You are going into a trance", an Ericksonian hypnotist would be more likely to say "you can comfortably learn how to go into a trance". In this way, he provides an opportunity for the subject to accept the suggestions they are most comfortable with, at their own pace, and with an awareness of the benefits. The subject knows they are not being hustled and takes full ownership of, and participates in, their transformation. Because the induction takes place during the course of a normal conversation, Ericksonian hypnosis is often known as Covert or Conversational Hypnosis.

Erickson maintained that it was not possible consciously to instruct the unconscious mind, and that authoritarian suggestions were likely to be met with resistance. The unconscious mind responds to openings, opportunities, metaphors, symbols, and contradictions. Effective hypnotic suggestion, then, should be "artfully vague", leaving space for the subject to fill in the gaps with their own unconscious understandings - even if they do not consciously grasp what is happening. The skilled hypnotherapist constructs these gaps of meaning in a way most suited to the individual subject - in a way which is most likely to produce the desired change.
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So no BS, just years of research.[/quote]

Let me be quite clear: NLP is a psedoscience that is not replicable and makes negligible difference to your game. There have been a number of studies into NLP that explain why it's a pseudoscience, why certain aspects of NLP are useful, and why certain aspects of NLP are useless.
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I have heard from a number of people that things like kino and negs make them look silly and they get nowhere with the girl.
First off, I like many others in the PUA community, despise "negs". Teasing is far more appropriate understanding and terminology and what people should be aiming for. People don't understand the concept behind it and thus don't carry it out properly - leading to making them look silly.

Secondly, to say that kino makes you look silly is ridiculous.


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The point is, a female will let you know through her body language when you can enter her space and start touching her. There's no need to worry about kino or breaking states and when to escalate kino. That just doesn't matter when you have built rapport. That will occur naturally in the flow of the conversation.

I think kino is the weakest part of any strategy towards seduction because you don't need to worry about any routines just simple conversation. Like I said, I have heard from guys who get some of the worse feedback from women using things like kino or negs. These things just aren't necessary.
So how many women have you seduced without touching? More specifically, how many cold approaches have you made and used NLP without a single touch, and ended up making out with her?
Who said I seduced women without touching? I said that comes naturally in the flow of the conversation as you build rapport. There's no need to make efforts to escalate kino or break states. Why do you need a routine to do what comes naturally as you build rapport with a female?
Sorry that my post above this is so confusing, the forum seems to have a limit on how many quotes can be put into one message, which has kinda screwed up what I meant to say. But to address your post....

Touching IS KINO. Kino is NOT a routine. You seem to completely misunderstand what kino is.

Kino is simply making physical contact. Walking up to a woman and touching her on the shoulder or back is kino. There is no need for a complicated routine to establish kino. That's what we're saying.

If you touch a woman naturally within the flow of conversation that is kino as well


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 7:00 pm 
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I read some of these posts and all I have to say is WOW...JUST WOW

basic noob...you are either very, very delusional or something way worse. Let this shit go. It's been over a month!

This girl isn't interested and no matter how much you'd love to think she's playing hard to get...she's not because she really doesn't care about progressing with you. You're simply just a time killer and you keep thinking something can happen which makes you look a desperate fool (something women find annoying or hilarious depending on how much of a bitch they are)

I hate to say it, but you need to forget this girl and move on. Find another girl, you have the biggest case of oneitis I've ever seen NEVER even dated and you're still hooked!

Please just stop this and move on. I have so many techniques that could help in this area, but the situation that you are giving is obviously not going anywhere and if you took the advice from this forum you'd already be moved on. If you dated or were still dating I could give you some beneficial advice, but this is OVER

Well if you consider dating as me going out with her somewhere just the two of us than yeah that's already happened , soo give me the routines . You may call me names but hey the only way i'll listen is by myself . Be supportive and respect my desire , I am a man I don't need to give you any more excuses soo be a nice guy and give me those routines .If you had answered me sooner and maybe you were even supportive , maybe this weird unpractical debate about kino/NLP vs regular game mini wouldn't have happened .


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Be supportive and respect my desire , I am a man I don't need to give you any more excuses
Try saying this to her.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 7:24 pm 
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Sure thing pal , I was planning on doing this . BTW oneitis do not exist you get anywhere with hard work and perserverence . Pickup artist just give up and start over because it's way easier . I am learning this so I end up with the wife I always wanted whether it be this girl or the next . Again thank you for supporting my opinions


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Sure thing pal , I was planning on doing this . BTW oneitis do not exist you get anywhere with hard work and perserverence . Pickup artist just give up and start over because it's way easier .
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