Hey Guys!
I’m finally joining the form (or at least taking it seriously this time). I want to master pick up! Even though I’ve known about it for a couple years. I haven’t really put it into full practice. Or made it a firm goal. I feel like I have wasted time. For multiple reasons.
I think one reason is that I get this weird idea that everyone knows about pick up and if I run it, I am going to get caught. I don’t know why I keep thinking of this, even though I know it’s crazy. Even during the day at random places, and at night clubs to, I’m hindered by this train of thought. I think that, my friends will know that I am using pick up when I’m with them. So I don’t approach a girl we see because I don’t want them to know. This applies to a mixed set to of dudes and girls to. This includes using other routines So what do you guys think?
I don’t know why I am venting this, but maybe some of you guys have useful advice. I just need to get serious about this and have this on lock down! I’m glad to be in the community! Lets do this!

Like RSD Tyler said, good game is like plastic surgery. You can't tell. With other words, it's invisible. So if you're good, you can game all you want without ever getting caught. I can even talk about game with girls and they still want me around, chasing me and all that.

If you are intermediate though, you are in the same boat as everyone else. Pickup artist or not, people make obvious approaches all the time, get rejected, and experience it he full range of shit regardless. And some girls will like it, some won't. So leave the pickup guy at home, and just approach women because you like them, and you'll come off as genuine whatever you choose to do.

Why not go up to a girl and say hi and make it up as you go along? If you get a date, try to make a move on her and kiss her.

Just by doing that alone will get you some success. No scripts needed or paranoia

if you can not do that then maybe you might be using at as excuse for inaction. Only you can decide this.

Friends are horrible people to go out and meet girls with, they just cock block you and get wasted. Find some pick up buddies to do it with. This is the key to hold yourself accountable in front of each other and you are all there to support each other.

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Very good point guys! I guess I needed a different perspective on things! Appreciate the advice! I better get gaming and not waste anytime! Its true if I have good enough game, routines and stuff wont even matter, ill even beable to joke with girls about it hugge! Also I totally know what your talking about Pebble, friends tend to cock block and just wanna get wasted! Probably finding a group that wants to game will be a good idea! Thanks gentlemen, ill be posting somewhere soon!

Your friends would care if you're trying to pick up women? Isn't that what they would want for themselves? To increase the options of women in their lives..

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Your non PU friends must be much better friends than mine.

My Friends project their insecurities by cock blocking me because is something they can not do themselves therefore they have to sabotage it for me to drag me back to their level.

This a very evident ancient common thing in the community which is why I kinda separate my life with this PU stuff maybe you don't have that problem but I guess you have better than friends that you grew up with.

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Well me and my core friends have been picking up women before any of us heard anything about a pick up artist. That was just what we did in 'urban communities' of new york city. Theres women every where, you go talk to them. So it was nothing strange or out of the ordinary. When I first discovered this I was a little shocked to find a whole community dedicated to something that - because of my upbringing I thought was natural. We'd play basketball, and then we'd all go pick up girls on our way home.Taking turns, making fun of each other when we'd get rejected.. On the subways, buses, and the city streets; so I'm guessing I'm coming from a difference position. Not to mention, i had been watching my dad pull over the car to hop out and talk to women since I was about 4-5 years old.. almost every day that i was with him.

I personally now wouldn't be interested in making friends with someone that can't get laid. I just don't hang out with those kinds of dudes. The friends i've made since then, with the exception of maybe two were all dudes I saw had a certain level of charisma that i could learn from. And even the exceptions were pushed by me into beginning to approach. You become like the people you hang around, and i'd rather hang solo or than with someone that doesn't possess qualities that i want to share in.

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This is my point.

Don't forget. This community attracts mostly people who struggle with women. Not vice versa. Maybe 90% and 10% naturals looking to turn themselves into super naturals.

For me, i thought women naturally would enter my life without the need to chase them, my friends who i met when i were 3+ years old who happened to dissolve into the type of person that didn't want jobs, leave the house and were too scared of women. I eventually had to leave them but I was 22/23 by that time. Evidently this is a 1 popular reason why many guys get involved in this including the OP.

Hence my reason for being around here and how I personally got involved in this community. I now am surrounded by friends that share the same qualities like you have.

I just thought your post was speaking for yourself and not for the majority, that is all.

Now how do we teach young kids to find quality friends? kind of impossible since there is agenda clashes. Obviously you got the good kind and I did not and our future paths were set.

Ironically, I have been speaking to my close friend who I had to leave behind...who has become suicidal because he regrets not taking control of his life and is now stuck with a girl with 2 kids and finally admitted that he used to drag me down and hates his life. That could of been me. God bless this community.

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lol

Point proven Peb,

I wasn't disagreeing.. It's just so easy to forget that everyones life isn't like yours. Its all I know. I'm still a bit taken aback by some of the things i hear fro guys i work with.

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Very interesting input Pebble and Eddie! Everyone has got a story to tell coming from different perspectives. I'll keep both your stories in mind as examples of individuals upbringing when it comes to this whole game!