Yes. Everyone knows this. A woman always has easier access to sex than a man. If a fat girl and Zyzz went online, hit up 100 people with hey come fuck, you'd get more guys coming for the fat girl. It's just the nature of the world. Are you mad at that? Accept that girls have it easier with having sex. So if my gf can find a guy to fuck quicker than I can find a girl..why would I care? Most girls can fuck easier than I, you, Zyzz, George clooney, Brad Pitt or whoever. I'm not mad at this fact. Lol are you really jealous women get laid easier than men? Life is too short for that. Men and women are different and have different strengths and weaknesses. I know that and accept that. I don't Harbor any resentment that girls win that domain. I'm not in a competition with my girl or any girl so why would I feel bad that my girl has that advantage? Stop seeing the world as this adversarial place where you have to beat women at things.

Consider all of the guys who listen to RSDTyler, go out frequently and get worse? That's what is called "par for the course" for RSD.

Once you have your basic skills down, going out a lot, really doesn't help much at all. And you only get better if you're practicing the right skills. Ask anyone who's been doing this for a few years, if they keep getting much better(outside of RSD). Most will say they basically plateaued and then leveled off.

Like anything else, it's much easier to get pretty good, than to hit perfection. And since "game" is maybe %20 of the puzzle, perfecting your "game" skills is probably not a good ROI. "I spent 5,000 hours in order to boost my odds with women by... %4! YEAH!"

More time at work and a second apartment across town would help more. Logistics fucks you over more than %4 of the time.

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The problem with forums is that, most guys promote rubbish and have to share their two cents despite never going out. By their own account and what was said in the thread, one is in a long term relationship deeming flirting with their gf as sufficient enough to prevent a back slide in game while another stated not having left their place in 2015. This is absurd. At this point, there is nothing left to discuss with people who do not approach currently.
Agreed. Logistics is a big deal in game. Something that has not been mentioned was the logistics in 007 approaching a woman with her grandma and mom. It had pretty low opportunity to work but, he still did it which I think should be considered. Offering advice on how best to go about this would be ideal rather than stating aspergers is what op has.

And yet, you said you flirt with your gf to prevent your game from not going down. if you said like a buddy of mine, you approach and pull up and until the point of sex before pushing her away, this would seem more valid.
Nope.
I am doing cold approach. If you split with your girl, you would be mad because of the wasted time, and no time it takes her to get liad.
Not true.
I do not view it as winning and losing. In short term, women definitely have more attention but, viewing long game, men have it made. Females age like shit most times. Men can pull into their 50s or 60s assuming they keep fit and healthy. The point was just emphasizing the ridiculous comment about flirting with your game and monogamy having no downside in your game.

That is all!

I would love to see you provide proof of such a statement. It is a pretty bold claim. Inner circle has a lot of guys, most if not all approach meaning; they do more than the majority who have posted in this thread alone by going out, leaving their home. You see some strange threads on the main forum but, you rarely if ever see people posting on the forums that flirting with their gf is game and prevents their ability to pull from downsizing.
Have you ever been to an event? Honestly, they have provided some of the best content in PU outside the recent shit storm. Prior to the shit storm, rsd is one of the biggest groups in PU today, well into the millions of dollars. You take other companies and it is bush league at best.
This something I disagree with and PU seems to promote this crap; that there is a right and wrong way to talk to women. There is a special routine, tactic or way to contrive a result with a woman. This is ridiculous. You can say or do some tactic, and or be genuine. Some women will take to it immediately and some wont have it. Others want the drama, the emotional spikes, the tactics, and routines. I cannot be bothered to be about those women because you cannot maintain this. So few are good at PU because it takes so much out of a person to adopt the behaviors and reverse engineer themselves into being that man. Very few have it in them. While I am far from the best at PU, I could not even converse with the majority of regular posters in this thread. V, you at least go out. I may not necessarily agree with everything you say but, there is validity in you sharing your experience. One poster has trolled in this thread and went off topic with silly tangents before being called out on "not left apartment in 2015." Sadly, you see it in PU where guys will show up to events, and to them, it is a big deal because they do not leave their house. Forums are full of people sharing their theory on women. They do not approach never mind pull. The weekend is around the corner gentlemen. It will get messy.
Because they either obsessed in a unhealthy way, they got "older" like myself and rather than, step up, do like Tyler and find someone younger with the hunger to take it to another level like JB, they settle down with some fat woman they met in their social circle. They have children with some slut who started getting fat, felt like she could trap this guy, and he let his beta male instincts take over. Like link I posted, you see these beta males, court ordered to pay child support for 3/4 children to a wife who was unfaithful at all times. This is what most men have to look forward to with a lot of women now a days. As I stated before, Epic Win is a video with Dave pig roasting a woman who is engaged and yet, she still would have no problem getting laid. Gynocentrism and traditionalism breeds this. PU is cult shit. Outside Jmulv, I have never seen anybody great at PU from the forums but, again, he was a fair bit rapey having stacked up several hundred women in under a year. Currently on trial for something rapey. What a shocker?
V, I agree with mostly what you said. People mistake the icing on the cake for the cake. I think having the balls to approach is like Bruce Lee pointing out that the finger pointing to the moon is not the moon. People get too caught up in the marketing of attractiveness, what they see on tv or what someone in PU stated. You seem to be anti rsd so, we will not agree with much here. I feel I learned a lot from rsd but, I do not it is not without its flaws. Like I stated, PU is not the most effective system for meeting women but, neither is the passive dating role of waiting on women or online dating.
Well, lets run with logistics. I will come back to comment on this. I have nothing left to discuss with Neo and Fudge. We just are going in circles conversing back and forth. Lets talk about 007 approaching a girl with her family. I will share my thoughts and experience afterward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtadeqnG_iA

Shit logistics. You do the approach. Ok. Go! How do you do it?

Never said this. Never said I do anything to PREVENT my game from going down. I listed a bunch of things I do naturally. This is not a theory, this is not my first relationship. Experience. Been meeting, sleeping and dating girls for over 10 years. I have an idea of what to expect after one.
No, I've already said I won't be mad. You say you just enjoy things, so why would you assume that someone else would have this negative opposite mentality? Would you be mad at the wasted time or something?

To V's comments on RSD guys, it's true. I've met aton of RSD guys and they're mostly worse. They have no AA, I'll give them that, but they are known as the creeps in most venues. And not the creeps who are at least getting some makeouts or numbers, the creeps who get rejected all the time. I've met way too many RSD guys who have been to multiple bootcamps, praise RSD, have done thousands of approaches, and when I ask what success have you had, they say none. It's the weirdest kind of brainwashing I've ever seen. V and I are talking about guys we MET, not what's on some forum. I've been around way too many RSD guys who were just terrible and had no success. I can't speak on the free tours, but I'd say the majority of guys who I've met who follow RSD and or have gone to bootcamps, do terribly with women and creep and get no success at all.

You keep challenging people, who aren't giving you theory but experience. If your experience is different, say so, but stop acting like people have some motive to lie. Instead of asking V for proof, why not try to figure out where he's seen this, what the variables are.
This shows your confusion. If you really do believe this, how can someone's game be lost or dulled by a relationship? Will I be less genuine in an approach if I'm dumped? Will I not still be a genuine person? If your way is to let the chips fall where they may, why would you assume that a relationship has any effect on such a simple mindset?

See, your hypocrisies are what happens when you read too much of this stuff. It's the very reason I would tell guys I coached in person, not to start with RSD. Because they put out so much content, you get confused. Then they tell you do what the fuck you want to do and screw society, so that you miss important feedback. So whatever they tell you is right, whatever anyone else says is wrong. You lose the ability to think.

Joe, your criteria is messed up. You actually say, that the guy who has a gf, what you yourself hope to get one day, can help you less than the guy who approaches but gets rejections and no success. So the guy who has approached, dated, slept with and been in relationships with women, can't tell you how to approach and do the same? Lol. Only in PU, do you find this kind of thinking. I'm not surprised though. I've been out with RSD guys, who did dozens of approaches, all blow outs, I do a couple and take a girl home, then they go on to try to give me pointers on getting women the next time I see them out. Lol. OP has hundreds of vids, all rejections, yet he gives dating tips and has a blog giving advice. This is where PU is. If you approach and get rejected, you can give advice. If you have slept with many women, gotten a gf, your advice is shit. Blind leading the blind. I don't know about you, but I'd rather take starting my own business tips from the guy who is retired and had successful businesses, than the guy who recently has 100 failing ones. Yes, the guy who is recent can maybe show you what NOT to do, but the guy who had it can tell you what TO do. Sure, don't put much stock into a guys advice who has NOT approached, but if a guy has successfully approach take the advice. Fudge may not have left his apt for the year, but if he was had some success with day game, he can offer better advice than OP who hasn't had success. If fudge has had 1 lay from daygame in the past 2 years, he at least has more of an idea of how to get a lay than OP.

And if you think the guy lost the girl due to her grandma being there.....

It's pretty much common knowledge outside of RSDNation. And quite a lot of the proof is on their own forums.
Here are just a few
1,000 approaches, 1 lay, 2 bjs
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/206177/forum

5,000 approaches, 3 lays
http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/view ... f=1&t=8258

50,000 approaches. Some lays, but never gets better at "game". Tyler tells him he's "intermediate" and needs to do more approaches and take more bootcamps.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130118092 ... of-Pick-Up

And of course, there's the fact that Tyler has to do 600 approaches to get laid. I can't even begin to explain how woefully awful that is.

I liked Julien when I first came across RSD. I looked into their forum at the time. What I saw, pretty badly disturbed me. Most of what these guys post, is just nonsense. Constantly posting about epiphanies and reading Tolle and stuff. It's like "Dude, I just had an epiphany!" because epiphanies are how you get laid. I saw several threads about dudes banging "turbo" girls. The pictures.... they were bad. At best, the girls were usually decent looking, usually butterfaces and quite often fat. And these were the guys actually having sex. Most of the guys looked up to these guys, because they were getting nowhere.
I probably spend 5-6 hours on that forum, in awe of what I was reading. I'd never seen anything like it.
Guys who had been doing it for 2 years, taken multiple boot camps, and had never had sex. That was very common.
The only guys who seemed to have "success" were pretty good looking guys, banging fatties. As an attractive man, you don't need to learn anything from RSD to bang fatties.
I also loved a quote from Tyler "Bang a fattie. It's great spirtual energy to give back". Yeah, ok.

Tim and Julien are their only good instructors(and Tim wasn't around for long). Todd seems fine, but I don't really hear him say much that's useful. But most of RSD is Tyler. Tyler sucks with women, and is pretty plainly dealing with some serious psychological issues. I wouldn't want to listen to Tyler about women, for the same reason I don't want to listen to Jim Kramer about investing. A track record of failure.
I've never done routines, but I can say that yes, you DO need to talk to a lot of women to figure out how to guide the interaction along in a way that consistently produces good results. When I started, I used to tease way too hard. It comes naturally to me, and the girls go from being amused, to eventually getting annoyed. I learned to scale it back, but became kind of dry and boring. Eventually I developed the ability to keep a conversation interesting, ranging from funny and silly, to serious and emotional. Pieces of it were intuitive to me. Some of it was not, and I had to learn it from observing other people handle situations that I didn't handle well. However, once I learned to be "pretty good" at that, I can't say I have improved much. There IS room for improvement. But it would be a lot of work, and wouldn't help me much. I've plateaued. I could claw my way up, but it wouldn't make much difference. Some of it is universal and applies to both men and women, but I do tend to be much better at engaging women than men.
That's why I promote simplicity. You don't need to do a lot, to be a decent conversationalist. But I also think that's a secondary skill. Body language, eye contact, vibe, style, fitness, these things are all fairly simple, and you can get laid with just them. Conversation is further down on the ladder. Plenty of great conversationalists cannot get laid.
I haven't really improved my "game" in at least five years. And I'm dating girls that are just as pretty and cool(and the same age), as I was before. My "game" has been stagnant for years. I'm "good enough" that I'm happy with my results and am not bothering to work on it any more. And it's not dramatically better than it was over ten years ago. I've learned some things, but honestly, very little of it is in the traditional "game" categories of saying and doing things. Logistics? Hell yes. That was probably the single biggest thing I fixed with the help of the community. Pushing things sexually, very early on was another thing I picked up only a few years ago. I used to waste a lot of time on mildly interested girls.
"Game" usually requires a structure, and I have just never experienced anything that neatly fits within a model. Just about every girl I have ever hooked up with, was messy. I messed up, she did weird stuff, and yet it worked. There are certainly commonalities between different situations, but they have plenty of differences. Many times, completely unique things. What do you do when your cab smells like dog shit, and you didn't smell it for the first two miles? What do you do when your girl's sister calls her as you're walking up to the steps to her apartment to tell her she thinks someone is breaking into her house(both things that happened to me). You can't plan for this stuff. It's too dynamic. You can kind of learn how to deal with "problems", but once you do that, there isn't much to improve. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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I am just not going to progress any further with guys who do not approach or currently do PU. We do not agree and our lifestyles differ; I do PU and others with their 2cents do not. Moving on!
That is removing a few links of guys who sucks. Jmluv while rapey has accomplished more in one year than everyone on this forum. Distantlight, Ambiguity, Jmluv and a bunch of others were great posters. Curious who you pay attention to and watch for PU. I like rsd but, I also like Johnny Berba and John Cooper. I like Mystery even though I do not bother doing routines or MM.
Did not click the link but, I am not sure how recent it is. Also, sites like TAF have review sections where mods there post to just attack other companies. Eben Pagan is one of my favorite in PU but, he never bashed nor attacked competitors or clients. Its something other companies could try. Again, I am curious who you follow. I am familiar with Justin Wayne but, he has been caught paying actresses or at least, there is suspicion.
You say that, it makes you sound like you are very new to rsd. Did you read the game? I read the game in 2007. I had a strong dislike for Tyler reading the content there. I realized that it was a narrative. While I would not trust Tyler with anything including footage of me in his audience, I still believe I could learn a lot from him, and what he has done. I do not think spamming through cold approach is the best way of things but, I have said many a times, I do not think PU is the best effective system available. The amount of time you have spent doing cold approach, how effective has it been? How many of these women do you remember and enjoyed their company? For me, I can say it is a miniscule amount regardless of the outcome. Some were awesome but, most were troubled and yet, I still try to take something away from it.
I felt that when I had met the gang bang girl doing toilet cocaine over the holidays. I found a lot of the women I have met through cold approach "disturbing" or disgusting for a lack of a better word.
For all the troll posts in this thread, no pics, and the one guy who has offered infield here, people break his balls. I think most of the guys in PU are strange, a bit weird, cult like, and awkward. People have attacked mgtow but, the same cult like mindset is prevalent in PU. If you listen to a lot of what people in PU be it instructors or "dating coaches" and or forum members, it resembles conspiracy theorist jargon. Worse, they do not even go out.
For someone so judgmental, you are more then welcome to post on rsdnation with pics of better looking women you pulled directly through cold approach.
There are pics of Jmulv who was the quickest guy in the forum or any pu forum who excelled the fastest. Tons of pics. He had some group of guys he hung with in Vegas. All posers who talked a lot but, never shared anything the way Jmulv did.
Again, this is what sucks about PU and those involved. All the time you spent on the forum, you could spend doing more PU, and inspiring others to be like you. Lead by example.
Far from it. If you are saying most guys, this would depict PU as a whole and as a cult and most guys suck at getting women. If you frequented the forum, you would have came across Jmulv, Ambiguity, Distant light, Chinaboy, ManWhore, who actually had a collage of pics, SquatinCassanova, and a variety of other players. Unfortunately, I have not seen any of them post recently. Likely, they have gone onto do something worth while. For all the smoke, I have not seen anybody here or any other PU forum provide like they have in pics or vids.
He was probably trolling.
Alex was great too. If you ever saw his 2010 infield collage or 201X video, it was pretty epic. He had a hotseat where he full on fuck closed some rocket. She was a international model. Good looking girl. Of all the forum instructors, I would have to say, the most norm, down to Earth guy was Alex. He was a cool guy. Its a shame he moved on like Tim. Julian is damn good but, that whole shit storm, I want to distance myself from.
He is kind of boring. brad is not bad but, he does not talk much about game. Lately, the channels have sucked especially since the JB shit storm. They have talked mostly self development lately rather than heavy PU. I fear the content may get watered down since the shit storm but, I hope it is only temporarily.
Yet, they are still one of the biggest companies in game. The shit storm definitely fucked up income but, they are doing good and even if they packed up camp, I guarantee they made a ton of money more so than most of the shit out there. I wouldn't want to listen to Tyler about women, for the same reason I don't want to listen to Jim Kramer about investing. A track record of failure.[/quote]

You could say the samething about Donald Trump; gone bankrupt multiple times. Epic failure in marriage multiple times. Despite failures, he is resilient having bounced back every time. That would be stupid to discard the Donald as someone I could learn from. With Tyler, he is not David Beckham, Zyzz, YaBoydave but, he offers value. He is not the ideal brand. If he can do it, everybody can.
Agreed which is my issue discussing PU with guys who do not go out.
I engage everyone. Mixed sets, men, women, day or night game. With men, I can potentially make a new friend or wing. With women, I can do PU or pull. If she does not like me but, she is a cool girl, we can be friends. I can introduce her to men and she can introduce me to girls. I think they call that a pivot. I go through spurts. Over the holidays, it was pretty crazy and then, it slowed a bit. I am busy in a trade school. I also have a few business ventures in the works; mostly start ups. I want multiple sources of income not for PU but for the sort of lifestyle I want. I want to travel and see more of the world.

V, what is your goal for PU in the new year?
Agreed. I am working very hard. I am pretty exhausted. I am firing at all cylinders. Warped posted about health, wealth, relationships. These areas of my life I am working on. Health for instance I am including a balanced nutritional diet and working out. Relationships, I am making new friends, increasing my social circle, and dating more. Wealth, as I said I am looking at multiple sources of income. I just would prefer to have less emotionally damaged women around so, I find abundance challenging and really out of reach. There seems to be a time line with PU. I am always just happy to have the experience and I take something away from it. If I become drained or stressed with too much PU, I just realized I need to meditate and relax.
Game i think consists of a bunch of things. Over the holidays, I ended the year spamming through PU just to do it. Really! I plateau and then transcend barriers. I peak and then repeat. Every so often, I meet a pretty awesome woman, I feel the lightning bolt, I extend the olive branch, and continue doing more PU. It is second nature at this point.

V, if I can be honest, I now pickup and pull more often but, I feel like the girls are emotionally damaged most times (toilet cocaine gang bang, twenty-something year old wants kids). I have been propositioned by married women. I have had women who proposition me and the ink on their divorce is not even dry yet. Prior to learning PU, I dated less often, volume was down, quality was up. I just was not long term usually. Despite all the PU carnage, every so often, someone stands out but, regardless of that, I continue to do the PU because that is what being single is about.
Yeah. Well, with logistics, i meant more challenging situations when lets say, a girl is with her dad or working. These approaches are challenging but very rewarding when done regardless of the outcome. I enjoy "the feeling of the universe bringing us together (sorta)." I still want to hear more about your thoughts on the situation.
Read Antifragile. It discusses the importance of randomness. With that said, I believe structures and systems are faulty and prone to fail. There is something special about randomness. I am fascinated by chaos theory. I am fascinated by being in a random place and time with endless possibilities. this is what attracts me to PU.
The problem I find is that, I sense it two weeks ago before it happened so, it already was done and I then went to do more PU. The cocaine gangbang girl - finished! The girl who was cooking dinner and giving mouth wooppie - done! Vagina fly traps those ones. Several others were fun. I always text and call girls after PU but, I am not attached in the least bit.
That is the randomness of PU. Lots of PU, you see which women you like, which likes you, and which you are not suppose to be with. I am turned off with women talking about wanting children right now. I am turned off by women who do cocaine in the toilet and gangbang. i am turned off by women who say they will do something and they fall through. If a woman cannot keep her word, I am turned off by her. I feel the same with flaky girls or girls who are hot and cold. I am not suppose to be with them. And that is okay.

Joe, there is a big difference between what is common, and what is exceptional. Some people got laid using Ross Jefferies' Speed Seduction. However, they were a tiny minority. RSD hurts most guys, based on what I read on this forum. And I saw plenty of evidence of it, back when I looked at RSNation.

Telling me there are a few guys who have success over there, is also to be expected. But does RSD help or hinder their development? From what I see, it hinders it.
Trump inherited inherited about 100 million dollars in 1975. He is now worth only 2.5 billion. If he had taken that money and put in an S&P index fund, he would be worth 8 billion(after taxes). So he's worth one third of what he would be, if he hadn't done all of this real estate and casino crap.
No, he's not a good role model. "How to squander two thirds of your fortune"!
And stock investor that had been tripled over by the S&P 500, would be widely viewed as terrible. No one would hire him or give him work.

You want a financial hero, look to Warren Buffet. He started off with almost nothing and created a financial empire.
Even if you want to look at inherited wealth, Mitt Romney was brilliant at Bain.
Then you aren't plateauing or transcending barriers, you're just improving. I'm talking about when you've been going out for months and see little improvement.
I would say you can improve from the 2,000 or so women you talk to. After that? Not much, if you were smart about what you did and how you learned. People learning the wrong way, might be able to improve for even longer, but it's because their growth is stunted.
This is why I think you're off base by dismissing Neo for having a quality GF, while idolizing Tyler who infrequently fucks absolutely trashy bar sluts.
The only women that can be "gamed" are the ones who have almost nothing going on for them, besides their looks. The very things RSD teaches, repulse quality women. Julien is the only one who understands how to emotionally manipulate women of substance, and I'm just not down with a lot of what he teaches, though I admit, I know it's effective, because I've seen it work.


Let's look at it this way. What kind of woman, would want to fuck a guy who's running around looking to fuck as many women as he can, regardless of their substance? A women who has very poor male options. Why does she? There's something wrong with her.

Being the sort of man who is even interested in spam approaching, automatically means you will only attract trashy women.
Quality women will sense this black spot on your soul and reject you, in favor of a man who only shares himself with women who are as high quality as he is.

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True. Resilience is a great quality and sure you can look to someone who fails yet keeps going for advice on getting back up when you get knocked down. But they can't offer much practical advice. Thats why rsd guys are great with AA and bad with real success. Because the guys they emulate who can't tell them what works just how to remain resilient. Everything you've said I've seen. Most not all get worse from rsd except for the guys who are naturally attractive...even then they usually get less attractive girls than they'd get from being normal.

That would be like me saying, women are evil because I read some AFM. Fudge went on a rant about how he was going to flame away on a mgtow thread. I bet he has not even created a username let alone followed through on his word of defending PU but, this is the typical PUA forum member. Lots of talk and no follow through. Is it at all a coincidence that, someone who does not leave their apartment this year let alone, do zero PU would be trolling through a PU thread making outrageous claims and surprise, no follow through. Saying, you get a bad idea because of what you read from guys on this forum is about as relevant as someone reading conspiracy theorist magazines and ranting about government conspiracy and the x files. Now, if you had instead stated you did a rsd event, had a bad experience because of XYZ, you would have something to argue here. I have done events with Alex and others. They were all great experiences and my game improved following it.
This would be like asking one of the keyboard warriors who do not go out their thoughts on chaos theory or string theory. The validity and life experience is not there but, a keyboard warrior is quick to give their two cents. Unless you did a rsd event, you are not in a position to analyze whether or the company helps or hinders. Anything provided is here say until you have that life experience. My experience with rsd has helped better my game. More importantly, while it takes effect immediately the full experience is progressive. A year after the event, you are still gaining more and more from having done it. If you ask the keyboard warriors, what products, events, boot camps or seminars they have attended, they will have nothing to say. Why? Because they do not go out let alone actually approach, do PU or go to events to improve.

I am not suggesting you specifically are a keyboard warrior. I am saying, you are not in a position to comment on the improvement of rsd students because, you have not been to the events nor have the experience. Inner circle is in just about every city across the globe. Prior to the shit storm, you would have the rsd guys show up to the events, come out to the clubs or bars, and even dinner with community guys. You rarely get this from other cult companies.
Unless you got more then 2.5 billion, there is definitely things you could learn from him. I would not take his boot camp on marriage or relationships. Real Estate and money advice, I may listen although, I do not follow anything or anybody blindly.
His mentor is Benjamin Graham. Read his book. I own it. Everyone has a mentor. Unfortunately, most go to the middle men rather than actually the source. Go to the source. Instead of going to the source, attending a rsd free tour, you go to the middle men, a bunch of forum trolls or keyboard warriors rather than finding out for yourself. Again, if ZYzz was alive, I would wing with him anyday. Dave too in Liverpool.
Bronson is another great source. Howard Schultz another (mr Starbucks). I read a lot. I take away as much as I can and then, reverse engineer something of my own or as best I can. Put something into immediate action. I am not making starbucks but, I put out a different product. I am passionate about that product.
That is transcending convention and barriers. There is always some next level but, the industry sells you a carrot on a string in the form of hotter girls, more game or something else. I am not after being the PUA of the universe. I never cared for that.
If you are implying that there is no more improving to do, that would be short sighted. You would shoot yourself in the foot. Do a free tour, a hot seat or boot camp. Maybe put PU aside, log off from the forums, and go back pack Europe. Maybe move to Thailand and live like a local. Rent a condo in South America, create a bunch of start up businesses, and meet women. There is always some new level of game and it could be beyond the application of approach.
Interestingly, I bet his gf at one time was a "trashy bar slut." Bet she has done the one night stand before. The narrative to be a good girl kicks in much harder and faster as women age. The dismissing is the fact that he argued flirting with his gf improves his game the way it would banging the guns of cold approach day and night. A breakup will change his mind. Girls get dick no problem. Men have to apply themselves.
I seen it work too but, he got high on his own supply.

He craved attention like a needy attention whore. He got it and it fucked up the rsd model. Alex left and abandoned PU because of the shit storm he caused. For rsd to publish a video like that was stupid. Limited North American events exist. JB World tour is a few places. It is kind of silly. He may be there best instructor but, who really would want to be seen with him at this point?
It has been in my experience, women want men who have options; men that are players and yet, choose them. That is the challenge for them to find but, they are in fact some d bags booty call for most of their twenties.
There seems to be something wrong with most Western women. Lots of complaining, entitlement, nose in the air and then, once her friends get married, have kids, she wants to victimize herself for not having that. You cannot blame rsd for the lack of quality of woman. The game pan handles to female entitlement. There is this knock on slut shaming but, women slut shame harder then men. Men tend to do so because of the fact many men are rasing some other man's bastard children and court ordered to pay. I do not agree with Neo or share his opinion but, I do not wish this on him or any man.
This again is very assumptive on your part similar to your opinion of rsd despite no actual real life experience with them unless of course, you got your opinion from the feminists attacking them following the shit storm. There, I agree it was a stupid move on his part to publish that shit. I still feel I can learn much from Tyler.
Women want to fuck men who are better then they are. I also stated the man who went lumber jack on a female's self esteem after she ranted about men having no game today. She got naked and wanted to do a gangbang afterward. I am not suppose to be with women like her. You add in she did cocaine in the toilet and it made her even more horny. rsd did not tell her to do this.

Women lack quality since the system promotes madness and pan handling to her crazy. KK getting married despite prostituting herself out with sex tapes is absolute madness. KW's inevitable divorce will be madness but, if you are a beta male mangina, you get what is coming to you. Men are marrying that these day. The system of gynocentrism should be to blame not rsd for the lack of developing into a quality person.

V, please don't give up on this guy. There is so much woman hating and overall negative views of women that literally seep out of his posts. Everything goes back to negativity with this guy. You said before you believed this guy actually got women. I disagree. No way I can see such a pessimistic person especially one who dislikes women and is quick to look for the negative in them actually getting laid. At least not after a few times when the hatred comes out. A whore is a whore, and a good girl is just an ex whore to him. So far, he's mentioned a chick his buddy pulled, and a single date. Over and over. Doesn't seem like he has more than this. He may respect you, so maybe you can get through to him and get his head out of these books and RSD before he continues down this dark road. Positive experiences with women do not breed this kind of contempt. A guy who has good options does not think/talk like this. A guy who is getting success with women doesn't talk like this. A guy with a good relationship with his mom doesnt think like this. I guy with female friends doesn't think like this. A guy who even has a real chance at love doesn't talk like this.This is baggage and damage like I've rarely seen but I can tell the guys who have it. I'm out of this to let you get through to the guy.

And what about people who have met them? The thing is, Joe, if I *did* go to a free tour, and told you these things, you'd simply tell me I needed to attend more, and question if I really even went at all.

There is really *no* reason for people to make up attempting PU with RSD and failing. How do you think it is, that I see almost everyone fail with Speed Seduction, Mystery, Cocky Funny, and RSD, but *not* 60YOC, Mark Manson, Sinn, Captain Jack(he's even routine based), GLL?

Why would guys make up failing with RSD, but not Manson, not GLL? That makes no sense.
Only the women you meet thanks to RSD tactics. Nearly every girl I have ever dated/hooked up with, was sweet, rarely complained about anything, not entitled in the slightest, she would usually do things for me, without me having to frame her into these types of roles. And these are all intelligent women from good family backgrounds, with good careers ahead of them. Most of the women I've seen will make great wives and mothers. Many of them have already done this in the years after I stopped seeing them.
Nope, they don't create them. They just teach you how to meet only them. The cool chicks take a pass, because they're not into the RSD mindset.
Pretty large sample size, Joe. Every guy I have seen post about spam approaching, all list the same issues. No good women. Drama filled women. Unstable women. Then, you take people like me, Neo, Warped, Charles, none of us have this issue. Yes, some women are like this, but plenty of quality girls. We also don't spam approach.
Gosh, what could the link be?
I was bashing RSD, before it was cool, Joe.
Nope. RSD just teaches you how to get yourself in that situation. They don't create the fucked up women(Julien aside), they just help you attract them. Unfortunately, they can't help you in finding a quality woman.
Up to you. I still do. If you think that bathroom gangbang didn't happen, I can't help you. It clearly scarred Joe in a serious way.
I never said I thought you two were on the same level.

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Apparently, I was not clear before so, I will post again.

If someone does not do PU, I am not reading the post nor responding to them. For the shit 007 has got here or on youtube is ridiculous given the majority here or youtube do not approach.

Did not read. Will look at it. I posted several links and either, they were not clicked or people just overlooked it. When I get time, I will at least look at it. The thing is that, this forum does not co exist with rsd but rather, promotes another cult of PU business. It is counter productive. One of the best ever was David Deangelo or Eben Pagan. The man has millions of dollars and he never called out people or attacked others. He just made money and was very ambitious.
You got to experience. Go to a free tour in your city and then complain about them. We could discuss that. I do not care to reflect on what other people think of PU. This thread is as good as any that shows everyone has an opinion when very few go out. I am actively going out. I am assuming you go out too. 007 clearly goes out. Most of those who posted in here do not.
Again, this is assumptive. You have not been to a program yet, you know what it is about because someone told you. Why don't I find some group of feminists ranting about PUAs in the largest city closest to you. Would this accurately portray PUA or would this be someone's opinion? There are several in this thread as well as youtube with opinions but, again, they do not leave their house. There opinion is then not worth shit.
Because people suck as this thread and the comments on youtube toward 007 have shown as those guys attacking are insecure manginas. Few are good at PU. I go out, I get numbers, I pull at times and not at others. I enjoy my experience and again, i try to take something away from it every time.

What company offers free events? Yes, they pedal their product at some point but, the content is free and they give more then any other company. I do not advocate everything they promote however, I take what I can and I throw away what does not work for me. Meditation is a great thing. Eckhart Tolle was a great read. Approaching lots of women is ideal and self amusing is an incredible frame to come by. All of what anybody teaches is someone else SPAM their two cents. I can learn from Tyler or Alex or JB but, I am not trying to be them. I could learn from Zyzz too but, I wont act or pretend to be him. I can take something away from Dave too.
Business. If it was not involving my income and resources, I would feel there would be no reason to lie. Instead, it is about my money and many companies are outed for paying actresses. Most of what is out there is complete garbage.
1) you have not stated where you are doing PU whereas, the area I am in is heavily populated with feminists and women who have poor mental health. 2) you rip rsd but, you have yet to say who you listen to or which boot camps you have gone too? Which???
So, they chose someone else? Not you?

Women want to settle down assuming you are the age you stated you are. PU seems to get easier with age. Also, there are a variety of resources out there and things people can do over time. Most guys do not go out because of a gf or because they are "old." Pretty much anything for an excuse.
So, you are saying, PU company rsd should create quality women? Try again?
You have not been to an event so, you do not understand the mindset. You continue on without sharing who you listen to because you don't want holes poked through that. Lets try again. Who do you listen to?
Spamming PU was through the holidays. Like or don't. Next set. Genuine approach due to interest level or what ever reasoning.
Lets move on. You call out rsd but, you fail to point out who you listen too. You say all the women you meet through PU are Cinderella or some Disney like character. You also stated previously that there is only so good someone can get at PU. Its like shooting yourself in the foot because that wont make you plow to another level. Drama or not, pulling is pulling. It does not have to be a long term gf. I am not going to post about flirting with the gangbang girl who is not a gf and that my game is improving because of that. lol
Warped was not in the convo. I like what that guy has to say. Neo does not do PU. Nothing to see there. Not sure who Charles is. to be honest, I have not really heard you talk about getting women at all in any of these threads.
You stated all of the women are good girls with careers. It does not sound like you are going that hard at PU. You would be meeting more crazies if you were.
What are you going on about now?
Since you brought in others instead of standing on your own two feet... it makes a lot of sense. Instead of learning from your experience, you are learning through what other people tell you of PU instead of learning for yourself.
Well, are you saying you cannot get yourself in that situation? That guy out did J.B.
does not approach... shares two cents. Carry on people. Nothing to see here!
Clearly not. I go out lol

No, I believe it happened, just not as a sign that he's better than Cupid. His buddy pulled her, hence gangbang. It's not that I even think he's a liar, just lying more to himself. You've seen the one track thinking when it comes to women and RSD. I've met RSD and even 60yrs guys like this, who told me they pulled and had stories like this. But going out with them, I realized that they were not lying, just deluded. Like Cupid's friend is about lip raping a chick and saying its a kiss close. They look deeper into things without realizing how weird they're coming across. For eg, I was with a guy once who opened a girl and seemed to be doing well. The girls were laughing and smiling from a distance. He introduced me, and when I got closer I realized the girls were laughing at him and trying to get away from him. They made excuses to leave which he plowed through. At one point "his" girl left, he waited a bit and reopened her. She was literally trying to do everything to get away. It was painful. Finally she signalled to a friend with her eyes to come save her. Her friend hugged her and spun her around away from him. He reopened again and persisted for a number close. Right when he got it, he came back to me smiling and sent her a text. It wasn't a real number. He said "Damn, she was so nervous around me that she messed up her number." He believed all of this and saw everything as IOI's.

I met a guy who was weird and pulled a cute black girl back to his place. He actually kissed her. At his she went to the bathroom for any hour, told him her friends were coming over. Guys came to the door, beat him and robbed him and the girl left with them. Obviously a robbery set up. When the guy told me the story he was actually bragging how the claw worked on her. That's what I see from most RSD guys. Delusions. I never believed in the whole RSD cult thing, until I met RSD guys. As I've said, Flawless natural is probably my favorite PU DVD and they have ok content. But Tyler saturates that stuff with sociopathic mindset. Too many RSD guys, just as Joe did, say I'm a sociopath like it's something to be proud of. Everything you said, I completely agree...I've seen it too many times to not put it together. However, I can't even comment on what kinds of girls the majority of RSD guys get whether they are quality or not because I don't see them pulling or getting girls in the first place. Actually, only a few I've met do well, and that's when they only use an RSD line or 2 and have the other stuff handled. The "fuck society" thing only helps when you have healthy views in the first place.
^ This....So right. Approaching girls is all that matters. Getting girls is for losers and the socially conditioned. Going up to them is whats its about.