I'm pretty non-judgemental. But I would never consider wifing up some chick who's getting coked up and doing gang bangs in the bathroom.

I'm not sure how anyone can think "gang banging, coke addict" says "wife material/mother of my children". But if someone does I think that puts them in a distinct minority.
I don't think that is a relationship that has good odds for working long term and producing healthy, well rounded children.

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Lets be honest here; disgusting is disgusting. I am not about to give it a new word or meaning. The bottom line is that, there is a lot of proud sluts out there today, and power to them. It makes pua all the more achievable. I did not mean to offend the other member here or even women for that matter. I really like Canadian Kevin Oleary because he says it like it is no matter how offensive and ruthless which is very unlike me several years ago. It is as he said, a lost art, and everyone is so sensitive. Its repulsive.

Now, if I were to have said, all women are this or that, that would be erroneous on my part, and I would likely fail to see the good in women. My RAS would be looking for women who are all ABC rather, open to XYZ. If we look at pua as a whole, the majority of it is misogyny with terms like bitch or slut populating throughout the message. The dynamic among men and women is pretty horrible today and to call it a crisis is in fact an understatement.
Nicely said. I think I may happen to be at a different stage in my life. If this was years ago, I likely would have indulged in the festivities that time, and put this on the pua chalk board as a win. I cannot do this anymore. I have been watching Johnny Berba and John Cooper and I have sort of made a shift. I enjoy Mystery and real social dynamics contrary to the recent incidents. I just know the majority of pua is at a lower level of consciousness (which is not to say I am at a higher level). I just recognize the misogyny. More importantly, I see it in myself and I likely have projected it here. I still meant every single word of it. I feel like a orgy with these types of women could ruin my entire life when they turn around with a baby and say it is mine. The female prior to this was talking about her body and wanting children. For men who are struggling to get women, stick to the script, keep banging the gunz, and I assure you, women will come knocking. The unfortunate thing is that, men who have no game or get no women tend to settle down once a woman selects them. Sadly, he was not her first choice now or ever. She just feels it is time, he has great resources, provides a safe heaven for her children until she decides its time to leave, victimize herself, claim abuse and violence allegations, and take half his shit.

While NAWALT, the vast majority are, and the crisis is evident among men and women. I feel like John Cooper and Johnny Berba are great alternatives to misogyny. My friend that spoke of being an asshole and destroying or obliterating female psychology to get laid has a point. The thing is that, I am more interested in women who are naturally into me, want me for me, and could careless about tactics or techniques to get a woman. I do not want women who do not want me. It should be simple. I am not suppose to sleep with the gangbang women. Your oneittus you are not suppose to get because you placed her on a pedestal and onto another planet all together.


This was actually a oneittus thread. I had actually got myself a woman who I really like. The gangbang situation with a woman wanting cocaine in the toilet and her friends jumping off onto the men we were with amplified my feelings for this woman. Through meditation and yoga, I have grounded myself some more, and I feel incredible. Whether or not things materialize with this woman, I am okay and I will be okay.

I have the courage to pursue the kind of women I want in my life. I am not attached to the outcome. Freedom from outcome is powerful. Combined with self amusing and letting go, its like being Neo in the Matrix. I will pursue this woman but, my life is great with or without her. I welcome her in my life however, things are so great, it makes little difference.

I hope you all find yourself in this place.

Huh? What pickup artist/guru/company is calling women sluts or bitches? Even on this forum, there aren't many guys that say anything that would give the idea that girls are lesser in any way. So how is the majority of the community misogynistic? "Terms like bitch and slut populating the message"???What....

I don't get what you're saying logically. Are you saying PU is misogynistic...but you are the one talking about gangbanged women in a bad way and assuming they will trap you with a baby. Doesn't sound like a positive view of females or their sexuality. For someone who is talking about higher consciousness, wouldnt you be the one saying not to judge? I'm not even debating your views, but it seems like you're just throwing out stuff that doesnt connect logically. PU was born to combat feminism and socialism? No, guys wanted to get laid and wanted to be more attractive to get women. It's not feminism that makes it tough for the average guy to get a hottie.

Find some of the older real social dynamic videos prior to the JB freak out.

There are tons of the crap out there that is terribly unhealthy.
I just said all this. I also spoke about pulls, hooking up, and picking up multiple girls. I am not sure you and are able to discuss this cause, you have provided nothing in that regard. More importantly, you are having a freak out about semantics.

Men got laid before pu. Feminism particularly third wave feminism is party to your ¨you cannot say that¨ nonsense.

Worrying about judging women is not getting you laid.

Yeah, "all women are whores" was a big thing in RSD for quite a while.

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I've seen RSD videos pre freakout and never heard them describe women as bitches and whores. I HAVE heard Julien and maybe Tyler call women whores as a tease, but never heard them in describe women as whores to their students. Most pu companies say don't judge a women for her sexuality, read Secret Garden blah blah blah. I don't think I've seen anything where women are called whores. Can you reference a few? I'm not calling you out, but just wondering because this is so outside what I've seen.
Yes, but you said misogynistic. Alot of the stuff is unhealthy for other reasons, but you said alot of the community is misogynistic. Give value to girls and people, take responsibility for your fuck ups, leave her better than you found her, give her great sex, most if not all companies preach these things. If a guy's gf is cheating on him, he is first told things that he probably did wrong, not a bunch of guys coming in saying she's a slut. Can you provide examples?

Don't understand what you're saying in most of this, and don't get where I'M saying you cannot say whatever. In fact, I've told guys here multiple times that it's ok to judge and disqualify a "slut" if you don't want a "slut." My "freak out" is me just questioning your logic because you're saying things that don't add up. I can agree with a point but if the logic behind it isn't sound I'm gonna question it. Bitch and slut are not constant terms in the community. That was your point on the misogyny. That's untrue. It's hypocritical to say that you're above this misogynistic "bitch and slut calling "community, when you yourself are calling women sluts. You say men should be able to call women whatever fine, but then don't say the community is misogynistic for calling women sluts. And how was pickup born from feminist control and socialism?

You are mistaken. They pulled the vast majority of videos that had anything even remotely misogynistic. Hell, Brad and Alex had their channel vids removed entirely. Words like slut, bitch, whore etc. were used several times hence the feminist rape accusation on Tyler.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer ... 7123101152

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -mood.html

He never did any such thing. He did use slut, bitch, whore throughout several videos. What was said in that video was taken out of context and they went on a witch hunt.
Likely, she is a slut. Here in lies the problem with third wave feminism brain washing men into "you can't say that." In the given example you provided, likely the man was not following his core purpose in life, prioritized her, put her on a pedestal, and she started looking at other options before sloot gonna sloot.

You then provide a copy of some of the more better quotes in pickup however, the vast majority of feminists define pu as rape culture. There would be no need for pu if men acted like men and simply approached but, we have cat call videos. Woman walking in a predominantly black and latino neighborhood who greet or compliment her before she freaks the fuck out claiming harassment... btw send money to her bank account.

This is brain washing. The same with the feminist narrative, "you don't need a man." She nears or hits 30 and then, suddenly, she needs a man for her happily ever after. What happens is that, men who never got women, get her past her prime after the gangbangs, after the sociopaths, the psychos are all done with her. She settles down with some beta male who has resources, she has a few kids, leaves him in a divorce, and takes half his shit. This is the norm America.


The biggest company in pu is rsd. The words have been thrown around quite a bit. You can search some more for yourself. The point was this, I pulled girls recently, I picked up some, and I am disgusted by women who gangbang and do cocaine in the toilet. Your response was that "you cannot say this."

http://www.disclose.tv/news/Sexodus_You ... ety/112102

Apparently, he has never seen a rsd video in his life before. I really like rsd minus that part as I have enough of that thinking in me already. Yes, hypocrisy but, it is a multi-million dollar company. Who would have though a company that promotes hard esculation and pickup would eventually be in a shit storm?

I think it is ideal to focus on the stuff that I find works and disregard what doesn't the way Anthony Robbins suggests in his book. Stuff like: freedom from outcome and intent & Self amuse.

I was posting on the forums here about how I liked Johnny Berba and John Cooper which led to a huge freakout by some guys on here who assumed I must be one of them or promoting their material. I just got pretty much a more genuine approach without using any words like whores, sluts or hoes, bitches, etc. when in fact, the message could be delivered without that.

My experiences assures me that, these types of women do exist, and I often meet them while out. Women who want to gangbang while doing cocaine in the toilet. Women who will throw themselves at you after talking about wanting to have children. You what?


It sort of amplified having a oneittus. I have did some more pick up and I shared the results. I think with age and time, I now view pu much differently. Pulling women who want a gangbang and doing toilet cocaine is not a success to me. Pulling a woman who is attractive, she works out despite again being attractive, is ambitious, career oriented, makes loads of money, seems like a sweet young woman, and I think she will be a lot of fun. Being with these types of women seems is success to me. I recently did pickup a few on this level. I will see them over holidays at some point. It feels good.

I am reading Way of the Superior man by David Deida. Noticing by focusing on my core purpose in life, it seems to convert well with women.

Ok man, now I'm getting frustrated because you can't answer direct questions. You're introducing new stuff when I just asked for proof or hell even context for the slut bitch whore populating the community thing

You say a point then back it with bad evidence. So Tyler was accused of rape because he used the word slut bitch. Doesnt make sense and isnt what happened. Yes he was accused of rape but not because he called or described women as sluts.

Then you go into other stuff about street harassment video etc to dodge a simple question

Where did I say this? Again, it's like you're just throwing stuff out.

Jeez, I just asked for some logic. You say pickup is full of men calling women bitches and sluts. Ok. Where? Context? How many men in pickup are doing this. Forget street harassment, and whatever bs about feminism. It was that one point I asked where you got that from. Say, the videos are removed, but Tyler would say multiple times, "when you're picking up sluts do this" or RSD would say "Take sluts to the bathroom for sex." And then say other pickup companies say women are sluts or bitches in this context.

I never said you can't say women are sluts. This is the second time I have to say that because it's like you're just throwing out stuff you read. When a guy is throwing out stuff he read he can't answer a direct question. No need to link Julien articles or whatever...THE QUESTION WAS HOW IS SLUT AND BITCH POPULATING THE COMMUNITY AND THAT MAKES IT MAINLY MISOGYNISTIC?If there are other things that lead you to that assertion just say "hey, slut and bitch are not rampant throughout the community, my bad...but it is misogynistic when you look at the rating system many guys use or whatever."

And you say the community uses bitch and slut alot. Ok. Well if you're using bitch and slut too, then how are you above it? Logic man. It's like if you said "the community uses a bunch of stupid routines. Johhny B and whoever else have taught me to be natural. Here are some routines I'm still using." What? Can't you see how that shit is all over the placE? And then "men should have the right to say whatever the want about women. But the community is misogynistic because women are called bitches and sluts. Johnny B is good because he doesn't call women sluts. Let me tell you abt this cocaine slut." Makes no sense. AGAIN, not even arguing what to call women. But you're saying things that don't add up as if it does.

don't disagree with him.
Women are often viewed as objects in the community. I don't think it's a majority, but it's certainly present.

RSD is particularly bad about it. Which is why they say things like, never pay any attention to anything a woman says or does, just do your thing.

Julien, Jeffy and Tyler often drip with hatred when they speak of women in general. They honestly have issues with women and seem to truly hate them.

Julien has been drifting there recently, but Tyler and Jeffy were always like that.

Like how Jeffy was dating a recovering meth addict and bought some meth and left it on the table "to fuck with her for being a bitch".

Now you could point out, Jeffy is a scumbag in general, and in fairness, he treats guys like shit too. He's just an all around awful person. And I suppose it's fair to say that Tyler has victimized thousands of men, and comparatively few women.

So maybe RSD aren't so much misogynistic, as misanthropic. I guess it is fair to say, that women suffer less from RSD than men do.

Though honestly, I get more of a sense that he's thinking of MRA and MGTOW. Roosh, Heartsie, etc do a LOT of what he says.

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Yes V I see your point as you've backed it up with different things. My problem was OP saying one thing ie women are called sluts and bitches = misogynistic community when slut bitch talk is seldom used in describing women, far less than the rating system which is more valid pt to objectifying women. And yes, there is a difference between someone saying a woman acted like a bitch, or this girl is a bitch and getting to pickup viewing women as bitches. That's like saying some guys use magic and esp stuff so the community is mainly magicians. And it's hypocritical to say the community uses bitch/slut so it's misogynistic, then describe a girl as a slut. That's like me saying the community is too shallow, I've outgrown that....let me tell you about my HB10 girlfriend. It's hypocritical, and even if I agree with an end conclusion, I can say the way someone came to that conclusion with broad statements and hypocrisies is incorrect. Too many times because someone agrees with what someone says, they don't check them on bad evidence. Like if I said, the sky is blue because it's water, guys tend to just go along with it instead of saying hold on, it IS blue, but that makes no sense.

I don't like the word slut much, either. And as I said, I'm pretty non judgmental. But there is a limit.

Coked out gang bangs are something I do look down on. I'm not gonna get freaked out over it. I think most sex stuff is blown out of proportion, but honestly, I would immediately disqualify a women from dating her or probably even becoming friends with her, if she did this.

This does not strike me as an emotionally healthy and stable person.

I'm not overly concerned about this, as it describes less than %1 of the female population.

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Brad removed all his videos on his channel. I believe they are back. Alex did the samething. Not sure if they are back or not. Several videos including a bridge jump video with maxx was removed talking about day game. Tyler removed the hook up video he discussed fucking a stripper which was linked to the site I posted. Its gone now cause they took it down.


The real reason you seem to be mad seems to stem from the fact that I pull. More importantly, I even turn girls down who gang bang and do toilet cocaine since, it does not meet my standards. Something to consider; if you dedicated all the time you spent being outraged by my success, you likely would do better with girls. In my own opinion, I do not think I am even that great at pu.

And yet, rsd seems to be one of the better companies, and I think they will rid the misogyny and become a better company going forward. They offer free tour events and a lot of free content, likely more then I have seen other companies do. Who does free events?

Well, if you watch the taf review, the bc reviews are pretty awful. One guy said, Tyler called him out for having autism. I would link it but, I am sure some mod would lose his shit link another pu site.

I take the approach that, people have to use common sense, and not make blind decisions cause Tyler or someone told me so.

Not sure what you call women who do toilet cocaine and gangbangs? Wife? I call sloot.

If you freaked out because I said "slut" you would have lost your mind if you heard my buddy go at her.
My buddy obliterated her self esteem and she started getting naked, taking out her tits, and got horny. Cocaine helped.

Again, if you are losing your mind about my words on a online forum, the problem is much bigger man. You should really shift your focus onto getting girls. "You can't say that" does not seem to be working for you.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. She came at me for not talking to her much after the initial approach and pull back to the after party. The whole gangbang thing was a turn off.

Imagine a woman like this comes at you saying you got her pregnant or its your baby?
No. It seems like a liability so, pulling seems like a disaster more then anything. usually, I am all for oral sex but, she really turned me off.

her friends were not much better but, it was interesting that, this was my back to back pickups and pulls. The night afterward, a woman and I had a day two. We ended up back at her place to "watch a movie." The result was oral sex. Instead of fully closing, she mentioned something within regards to wanting children "soon" and I made my exit.



the original point of this thread was not about calling out sloots for their behavior, gangbang lifestyle, and toilet cocaine. It was about having a oneittus. I had picked up a woman who is young, beautiful, ambitious, attractive, and embodies the qualities I deem desirable. The experience over the past two weeks has really amplified the oneittus. I grounded myself by meditation, setting up a new years resolution, and planning for the new year. I am setting up some priorities and following up. I met another awesome woman recently who gave her number and I intend to see over the holidays as I am currently single. Its that rare type of woman who has all the things going for her beyond just her looks that I am into.