In the past, I had several dates with Asian girls which went wrong because of me touching them. I have the impression that they do not feel comfortable with you touching them in public. When I used the same technique with European girls, everything just went fine. What I usually do is casually touching the girl while sitting next and talking to her. When I realize she doesn't mind me touching her, I continue. With Asian girls this doesn't seem to work, however. They have a different conception of how far you can go during the first date and they don't like it when you come too close. My SPAM is Korean and he told me that in Asian countries this is considered to be too forward/direct.

Today I have a date with a Chinese student and I don't want to fuck it up again. Any ideas how to procede?

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Most of the asian girls that I meet here in NYC are pretty promiscuous. Its almost as if they watch american reality TV and try to fit in by behaving the way the women do on the show. In the sexual sense.

But i've always treated all girls the same bro. I don't walk around trying to please everyone. Although I have dealt with conservative girls and the trick is to just slow down the touching. Where as you would usually make a hand touch the first "non alarm setting touch", make it something lighter like a brush against the shoulder. Just smart smaller than usual and work slower.

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I fucked it up again xD The date itself was really good and we had a good conversation. I also slightly touched her and I had the impression that she liked it. But when I held her hand, she reacted very weirdly. Her hand was all stiff and you could see that she felt really uncomfortable. It was too much for her. We then talked about relationsships and she told me that she hasn't kissed but one man in her entire life (at the age of 23). She has also had but one boyfriend until now. This is the case with many Asian girls I met up with during the last years. I think in order to escalate with these girls you have to invest A LOT more time than just one date, which is something I'm not willing to do.

When it comes to kino, it's probably right what you've said, that you basically have to slow down the touching. From what I've experienced so far, it's good to not touch at all during the first two to three dates because they want to get to know you first. I think as soon as they know you a bit, you can also start touching them, but not before. The whole process is way too long, though, and not worth investing any time.

By the way: She told me that in China girls get married at the age of 23. Her parents are already looking for a potential husband for her while she's here in Germany. There seems to be a lot of pressure on these young girls, which is something I haven't been aware of. How are these girls to enjoy life and love, if they're forced to marry someone without having ANY experience?

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Watch out for painting that broad of a brush or assuming this is the case for all girls of a particular group. Meet more girls and see how it goes. Stalling that long before even going kino would become a self fulfilling prophecy as in, "oh i guess they're not into me" when in fact many girls will walk after 1 date if there's no escalation of some sort.

This IS actually the case with most of the Asian girls I've met up with, especially Chinese girls. They were all like that. Of course I'm aware of the fact that not all Asian girls behave the same way but most of them do, that's the point. I knew she was attracted to me and I could have kissed her if I had invested more time but as soon as I knew that she has no experience whatsoever, I lost all interest. What good is a virgin? It's not fun teaching a virgin how to kiss, fuck, etc. I'm looking for more experienced women.

And there is a HUGE difference between European and Asian women. I've met A LOT of women to make this generalization. Whereas European women want you to kino escalate, Asian women are scared as fuck if you touch them, at least here in Germany. It might be different in bigger cities like NYC or in another country.

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It's so much not about cultural differences about touching as it is about whether or not a girl is a virgin.

Don't bother with all this racial bullshit. Screen girls for sexual experience and next the virgins. Don't ever bother with virgins.

This actually HAS something to do with cultural differences. Gaming an Asian girl is different than gaming an European girl. I can tell from my own experience. This has nothing to do with racism.

Or how do you explain the fact that the very same approach works with European girls but not with Asian girls? I don't think that this is an coincidence, given the number of Asian girls I've already met up with.

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Your frame should be so strong that the frames set by a foreign cultures should have very little bearing on the effectiveness of your actions coming from YOUR frame on YOUR home turf.

I've lived in Korea for the past 5 years. I kino less in general in social situations.

When it comes to seduction, it's a whole different story. We're not in Korea anymore when it's seduction time. We're in MY WORLD. Sure, there are some calibration differences here and there but the fundamentals of kino in my frame ABSOLUTELY CRUSH all other opposing frames. I've even kino'd through and laid virgins here. So even my objection with the "Don't bother with virgins" shit is nothing if you've got a killer frame (there's just many other reasons why you shouldn't bother with virgins). Sure, sometimes I wasn't as calibrated and scared off a few girls here and there with my kino but 99% of the time I'm all over her.

Just not so blatantly in public where everyone can see.

But the private kino is no different from American or European girls. Yes, I've certainly had plenty of experience with girls from all of those cultures, too.

Regardless of culture you're going to have ASD. Varying levels of ASD, yes, but it's all a fucking mask. If your game is tight then the masks come off.

So, in conclusion, the same approach DOES work for Asian girls. It works for all girls. I'm living proof. And it's not because I'm special. Anyone can do what I do. You just need to work on (1) your frame control and probably (2) your lowering-ASD skills. It's just a lot harder to lower ASD in someone when she's a damn virgin. So, like I said, screen for sexual experience.

Thank you for your exhaustive answer! You seem to have the the knowledge and experience to back what you say. It is probably right. If you have the right frame and don't lose it you will get every girl, no matter which country they are from. There are cultural differences though. And I think it is easier and less akward if you adapt to these cultural circumstances to a certain degree. During the weekend I slept with a Vietnamese girl and she told me that, normally, a girl in Vietnam waits AT LEAST 3 months before she sleeps with a guy. This cultural custom also hindered me from closing her and manifested in her behavior towards me. For example she didn't want to kiss me straight away (although the tension was there!) and even after I've slept with her for the first time, she wasn't sure at all about sleeping with me again some days later. Of course you shouldn't wait 3 months to sleep with a girl but perhaps it's wise to spend more time with her before trying to close her. In Europe this time span is way shorter. Here, you can go all in after one or two dates. If you are too direct with Asian girls, though, you might scare them off due to the pressure you expose them to. You referred to ASD. I think a girl's ASD will be lower if you consider her cultural background and adapt to it in a certain way. That way, you make your approach more natural.

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Listen dude. If you can't be fucking bothered to invest some time into getting to know them and for them to trust and like you then go to a fucking prostitute you asshole. You need to stop touching girls you barely know. What the fuck is wrong with you? You sound needy and desperate. No woman wants to be with a creep that touches them so early on. You need to get your shit together man.

LOL! That's what kino is about! There is nothing wrong about touching a girl as long as it arises from the situation and is not forced. At some point you need to make the first step. This can be on the 1st date or later, it doesn't matter. Touching someone also doesn't necessarily mean that you're needy. I know a lot of people who talk with their hands and to whom touching comes naturally. Also, you can show your intent through touching. Of course this is a really direct approach but if it fits your personality, it is just consistent. If you prefer a different approach, that's cool, but don't refer to people who think differently and who you don't know as "assholes".

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