You can get coders on Elance.com for $2 an hour, and they are pretty good.

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Yeah I was gonna say Fiverr are also pretty competitive at $5.

I love capitalism. Outsourcing is boss.

Hats off Magic, nice post.

I don't give a fuck what you do, or plan to to to keep food on the table, or free Appletinis for random bitches. the the defining right of passage into manhood is permanently moving out of your parents home.

Slackers may cry, tuition, saving up, logistics......

Real men take care of their shit. They INSIST!

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After hearing a lot of the guys on here talking about having to save, how expensive school is, how much bills are, and how the OP isn't helping or offering advice. My question is how is he NOT offering advice? At what point in your life, aside from trying to learn to pick up women, are you going to do something for yourself?

Moving out and being independent isn't about doing it for women so they'll like you better. It's something that you do for yourself. How does it make you feel having to come home to mommy and daddy after a long day of school and realize that according to societies standard that after the age of 18 you're an adult and mommy and daddy are still taking care of you?!? At what point are you going to make the decision to take care of yourself?

I do agree that bills are expensive, and they definitely add up quickly which just adds to it. Personally I would love to find an apartment that was $400 or hell, even $600 bucks a month. That would help me to be able to afford to take more classes and finish my degree faster.

As far as being lonely, I don't really notice it. Either I'm not home long enough to notice, as I believe someone has already mentioned, or I am finally able to take a few to myself and want the time to myself to be able to unwind and relax. If you're really worried about being lonely then make some friends with people at work or in your neighborhood, invite them over to hang out. As far as for school, having your own place works out nicely, it makes a great alternative for a place to have a study group and if you're studying on your own, you know you won't have to worry about being interrupted.

it's insane to think so many people here believe what society tells them. sure my teachers and parents wanted me to go to college . did I listen to them... Yes . I went to college thinking that what they were telling me was true ,"with a college degree you won't find a good job" or "on average people who go to college make 1 millions more dollars in there life then someone who didn't" but that's not entirely true. And really bullshit if you ask me.

Personally I don't like school , I love learning but not how a school teach . I'm lucky to have the internet ... People probably won't understand this but I'm sure there are a lot who do.

I went to college three different times in my life. It just wasn't for me.
I've worked in a few different work environments as well, cashier, graveyard shifts stocking merch, and I have been in sales.

I'll tell you one thing, I made more money working in sales in two and a half months then I did working 6 months at any other job working the same amount of hours and just as hard . Both jobs had the same base pay but the sales job obviously had the commison rate to it. I worked my ass off in both jobs, probably worked harder in the previous jobs before I worked sales.

State minimums where I live is $8.00 an hour. I was making 15-20$ an hour in my sales job. It literally gave me a new insight to the working world. I will never work a job that will pay me less then what I'm worth. I know if stuck with that sales job I would be able to make even more then that. It's all about experience , which is what a lot of this thread talks about. Is 4 years early experience in the working wold better then studying 4 years at a college/university? I don't know. Weigh it out yourselfs. Choose your path and don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks. After all it's your life, you will fail you will succeed and you will move forward, no matter what . That is life

On topic.. I think a sales job Is a great job to pick up . It shows your value as a person in the working world. You would be surprised how many people believe they are only worth 8 bucks an hour. An old friend of mine once got a raise of 21 cents to his already 8$ an hour paying job.. this was a 6 month evaluation on his performance . and he accepted it!!! I would have been pissed. Gimmi a fucking dolor raise ass wipe 21 cents ain't gonna do shit for me.... Fuck society . Anyway, basicly, someone who doesn't know his worth wont strive to have more worth which comes back to PUA . A girl/women won't expect anything from a guy who doesn't know his own value. they can sense this shit a mile away..

Love the post magic or magyc? Magical? Cant go back to see lol.

As the stereotypical lazy uni kid who has lived off his parents finical cushions his entire live this thread is insightful.

I'm taking retakes to try and stay in uni. My work ethics are abysmal, now I'm thinking if I have to retake the year I may as well just drop out.

As someone who has no experience my opinion is just talking out my ass BUT the vibe of this thread is so materialistic it makes me want to vomit....Whatever happened to perception is reality? quoting the wolf of wall street stating that money buys happiness is ridiculously absurd....no, thinking in a certain way creates happiness.....You could be locked in a cage in prison and still be incredibly happy.

If some posters exert more effort in changing the way the think instead of chasing paper perhaps that would suffice?

As I said I'm talking out my arse, and reading this thread has made me slightly anxious so I perhaps I'm taking an exaggerated negative stance..

Money isn't everything, far from it. And, in fact, the thread started off talking about moving out of your parents' house, not just making loads of money. Because of how much moving out can be, that is what it has sort of become about. But even so, there is a method behind the madness. Nobody has said earn as much as possible because money makes you happy - just that with it you can afford to do things like move out, get your own place, go on nice holidays etc.

The real lesson to be taken from most of the advice in this thread from the likes of Majikal is not about making money. It's about the "doing something for yourself" bit. Yes, in today's world, that often equates to going out and earning enough money to be able to do something for yourself. Majikal isn't saying move out of your own house and make loads of money for the sake of it, he's saying do it because achieving something on your own back is far better than sponging off someone else for years. It will make you feel better.

You say your work ethic is bad and you're having to resit. But I imagine there's no pressure on you; if you drop out or fail, you'll go back to living with your parents for a while, until you get some average job and earn just enough to move out - maybe your parents will put down a nice deposit on a house or something like for you and you'll eventually muggle by. But what sort of a person does that make you? Wouldn't you rather be the person who went out and made it himself?

You can probably be happy by just getting everything given to you on a plate, cruising through life (and university) without putting much effort in. But it will feel a lot better if you get out there and succeed, achieve something. Yes, that might result in money if your achievements are career based. But it doesn't have to be money - it just has to be something you can look back on and be proud that you made happen. Compare dropping out of uni because your work ethic is bad vs working your socks off and getting the grades you need. Look at those people who earn big money - do you think they are all motivated by the wealth? Some maybe, but most would be happy to be earning an average age. The thing is, they get a buzz from sealing a big deal or from making the next step up. They get a buzz from ticking something else off their personal achievements/development list.

so if you are a student trying to make it to med school, taking 16 hours of classes, how would you make enough money to move out? trust me im trying, ill be 21 this week and i want to move out but school is killing me (and being a doctor is something i actually really want to do so i can't just drop out)

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Sounds like you're in a bit of a quandary doesn't it?

What you need to do is find a way to make the time to make money if that's something you want to do with your life.

I'd love to offer you better advice... but I'm not a college boy. I've never been in your situation before.

You need a fire lit under your ass dude. That was the point of this post...

The only reason why we chase big money and wealth is because we hate being a slave to it. Because the only people who don't need to worry about money are those who are rich enough to never need to do a day's work ever again if they so please.

So, we are not pursuing the wealth itself, we are chasing the most valuable thing in the world: Time. As long as you are a slave, addicted to your measly paycheck every month, you cannot decide what you do with your time between 9am and 5pm Monday - Friday. Wealth gives you the freedom to decide how you spend your valuable time. There's nothing "materialistic" about it at all.

Agreed. ^

However, don't let being rich let you fall into the trap of working everyday to become rich.

Yes you might be rich, but now you have no time for fun because of it.

Time rich is where it's at. My goal is earn £1200 a month and work as less as possible and then perhaps a few hours a week to increase the wage gradually without killing myself.

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£1200 month cannot fund the travelling lifestyle I'm striving towards. The more money you have, the more time and freedom you have, it's that simple. You cannot go from working full time 9-5 to only a few hours a week and expect to earn the same money via so-called "passive income".

I understand what you're saying but I am living proof that you're mistaken, perhaps a limiting belief with respect?. (Happy to show proof to you) ,

I still have full time work, and I'm earning about £600 a month passively on top of my job wage. It's very passive. (I only have to send a few emails when I get a few sales)

Soon as I replace my wage, I'm gonna quit my job and go travelling 4 hour work week style and escape working 8 hours a day for £70.00.

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Bottom line - sometimes you can't do everything you want in the short term. Like I've already said in this thread, I actually moved back in to my parents' home in my fourth and fifth years of university because I didn't have the time to do my part time job anymore, so couldn't afford the rent. Sometimes you have to look more long term and suck up a situation which isn't great in the immediate timeframe for more good down the line.

If you really can't move out now (and I have friends who were in medical school and know how busy they were, so can believe you there), then stay in your parents' house until you've finished uni and have got your proper job. Or take a year out of studying, work full time for a year or two, do as much over time as you can, save up, and then move out on what you've saved.