This girl is a solid 8, both of us are college freshman. We started hanging out literally last week, and no joke we spend 6 hours talking the first night, she came over, spent the night twice, but I got best friend zoned the first time. Basically, she says she really likes me as a friend, and knowing her as well as I do now, the following is 100% legit.

Her: "I literally hate relationships, I just like having sex, but I like you too much and too many guys have been in your spot, and tried to convince me otherwise. I always just leave guys after I have sex with them, and youre a good friend."

It got bad, I basically had her in my bed, and was like "it would mean nothing if thats what you want. We can carry on like nothing ever happened."

My biggest problem is that I love kino, and this girl isnt even a hugger. Like I snap my fingers, and she lives an hr away but she'll be at my place like *that*. Meanwhile, got coffee today and she wont even hug me after. I know Im in a rough spot, and I should probably pull away? Anyway, this is MARIE.

GIRL #2 Is Gina. Attractive but also needy and emotionally unstable it seems, (my type) she just got out of a 2 year relationship. She says if things are supposed to work out with her and the guy, they will. 2) I think one of my problems is I come out too unromantically fueled. So this one im starting out with the classic, "whatcha up to gorgeous?" texts, so she understands my intents clearly. Anyway, any good tips?/ links for text game. I feel bad at text game lately. Thanks a trill
-matt

Aside from the friend zone thing, there's nothing wrong you had her in your bed twice and didn't have sex. My suggestion is this: Kiss and escalate slowly towards sex. With my current girlfriend, I had sex on the third sleepover. And at the third time, I had to kiss and escalate slowly towards sex for like maybe 20 times in a period of 6 hours, before she asked me to take a condom.

With some girls it go fast and with others girls really slow.

The basic model is like this:
Kiss and touch -> escalate -> sex. Usually she will resist. If a girl says stop, you stop. Wait (1min - 30min). Kiss and repeat process.

Have you kissed her?

EDIT: when you feel like it ain't gonna happen. Don't push for sex. Never push for sex. It should come naturally.

It sounds to me like you may be lacking on leading her. I get this impression that you are waiting for her to say things first then you agree with her or base what you say off of what she says. Try to come up with your own topics, start leading. Don't just be suggestive, turn it up a little. When you're in bed you definitely need to lead more. Two steps forward, one back. Also, read more about LMR and how to handle it. All girls want sex, and they will tell you they don't but you will soon learn to read those situations.

Good luck

I think the mistake was to try to discuss with her on a logical level. Instead you should answered cocky/funny and be leading.

"Girl you are leaving the guys after having sex? Maybe you are that kind of personality that is traped in the wrong body. As far as i know we guys have this routine And anyways, you would never leave me after (maybe just to get me some water and a cigarete)" Ofc with a smile

Edit: maybe this is a little too much cocky, but i think you know what i mean

The funniest part is I thought about LMR when I was in this situation and i was thinking, "F**K I DID NOT EXPECT TO BE HERE SO QUICK, this is Last Minute Resistance!"

She has mono...so she can kiss for another 6 weeks (got it from sharing drinks, she's not slutty in the least). but like i straight put the moves on... im usually fantastic at kino when a think a girl is in to me. I gave her a back rub, then started kissing her back/ turned it up a bit (she was slightly drunk). But she hates kino! every time I even jokingly would like tap her shoulder or lean in towards her, she would be like "youre in my bubble." So how do you kino escalate when a girl thinks youre clingy? But she has made it very clear that we are just friends. So I need to take a step back.

Lets work on Gina. Any tips?? Gimme some text game. We have class tomorrow, should I talk to her there more before asking her out again? (asked her for coffee but she has work)

I think it needs more details about your status with #2 and how you know each other etc..

But in general i would really skip any serious stuff and go to funny things and stories. She just had a long relationship and prob. wants to enjoy free life now. Talk about great experiences and a lot of funny stuff. And instead of a boring coffe date get her out for some party or some things that are an adventure.

She should relate you to fun and adventure i think. She had enough of serious problems and shit

Cheers

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Ask yourself, would Brad Pitt "be in her bubble?"

Don't take it wrong about being on the friends stage with girl #1. You can start doing like accidentally touching her hand, do this twice. If she does not react like a no, then proceed with another move. Your moves should be subtle, not so obvious kind of stuff. It's like you are preparing her for that thing. Actions speak louder than words. She might say you are friends but in reality she wants to get laid with you but you are doing the wrong stuff.

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