Hey bro! I liked your post. She does like you and still continue to gives you IOI's but is afraid that he BF will do something stupid like kill himself. The reason why he's probably depressed is because she's talking with you. He's afraid she'll cheat on him but will she is the quesiton?

To your question to probem so periodically say, "Hey if you're not seeing anyone. Let's go out and hang out at [blah, blah, blah]!" She should say yes because the pressure is off her because she knows you like her. So actually there's a slight pressure of not hurting your feelings yet still being on good terms with you. You must lower her pressure and Increase her Buying Tempature. HOw? Get her aroused by talking about some girl you meet and had a fling with and go into details. This will cause her to be JEALOUS which is what you want and the FEAR of losing you. Because she likes you she's just being careful not to tread on any thing messy. So, I would make her JEALOUS and continue being C&F. Eventually, you'll get her to be drawn to you more than her boyfriend. Also make the CONVERSATION short and PUSH-PULL her once in a while. This will also build a greater ATTRACTION.

Good luck! If you need anything more just PM me! Thanks! Peace out!

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Ummmmm . . . I think I read the title of this thread wrong . . . I could have sworn it said "Zip's Perspective" . . .

But hey, I've been wrong before

Feel free to jump in, Tripp.. I'm looking for multiple perspectives.

I understand that, and it's a good thing to look for multiple perspectives. However, with this being Zip's thread, I don't normally jump on this particular thread without her consent, either by her directly asking me to look at something, or by me asking her if she minds my input on a particular thing.

And, normally, she doesn't mind my input at all, but out of respect for her, I don't normally just jump in.

Alright guys, I'm cookin' up some awesome answers for you. Just be patient. I've got quite a busy day, and if it goes well, I'll tell you all about it later...

Thanks Tripp, always the gentleman.

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Yes. Women are naturally attracted to more mature men. I quoted a study in one of my former posts on here about women being visually attracted to a more mature face (strong jaw, strong chin, etc.) That same study hypothesized that women are mature to an older man's scent. It's a hormonal attraction trigger. (Of course, we are talking about women above the age of consent.)

The only tricky thing about gaming someone with that much gap in age... You just have to make sure that these girls don't expect you to be a sugar daddy. Or her father in general.

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I got that little tip from the body language experts I've been running around with every weekend for the past two months. You're right, it's a subconscious thing that women do... they aren't always aware of their actions.

btw: hijack my thread again, and I'll have to kick your ass

seriously.

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Man, all I do lately is fail to impress you or mildly disappoint you. Yeah, I replied to this but I must have failed to actually post it. My bad, dude. I'm glad you re-posted.
Yes you can be initially unattracted to a person and change your mind in the future. Absolutely. This happened to me with bf 2. And on we go to a tangent to illustrate:

I thought he was a total loser when I first met him. I actually made fun of this guy every chance I could. Come three months later, he jumps in social standing and changes his appearance a bit.

He immediately starts looking attractive to me. I was noticing the change in appearance, but kept it to myself because I still felt I was in a higher social position. However, as soon as the community accepted this guy as quality, I accepted this guy as quality. He even started to smell good to me. I'd be walking randomly along the street and catch a whiff of him, stop, and realize I was enjoying the emotional response I was getting from thinking about him.

He still smells really good to me. (note that I am talking about a man's natural scent... NOT cologne or aftershave or deodorant. that's where the hormones are, baby.)

I guess the moral of the story is that there has to be some sort of social change. Either he gets a quality girlfriend, or he starts working out more and gains "man respect" for that. This is why a lot of my clients who are divorced have their ex-wives start talking to them again as they're being transformed into these PUAs.... because the guy is now getting social proof and walking around with hot women. It starts to turn on our attraction switches.

The converse is true as well. A girl can lose attraction for a guy at the drop of a hat, and this is not due to something stupid a guy does. It's a managerial problem on his part. Either his calibration is off, he's becoming needy, he can't hang it in deep rapport...etc.

The first time I dated bf 1, I chose him because he played football, he was hot, and I could bump up his social standing a bit and make him perfect (I really was an asshole a few years back.) Well, after a while, I started noticing his teeth were a little crooked. Just a little. However, it had not bugged me before a certain point, and I KNEW I had lost all attraction from him. When little things start to bug me about a guy, I know something deeper is going on. I dumped him.

Same goes with the smell thing... if I'm walking around, and I catch a whiff that reminds me of a guy I'm seeing... and I don't like the smell anymore... I know it's time for that guy to go. This is a result of something he's done. He's failed to keep my attraction switches on. They suddenly crash down all at once when I'm triggered by the external stimuli.

Now, what does all this have to do with the microcosm attraction theory... In order for a girl to become attracted to a guy she was previously unattracted to... a social shift must occur. If said guy and girl are transposed from their normal social environment to a smaller microcosm, there is a good chance that the guy could jump in social status within that smaller community. That's when she can notice her hormones start tickling her with the idea of actually liking this guy. These are real feelings and emotions, but they can be transient if moved back to the bigger "pool" and not properly managed.

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Yes, a lot of girls have negative or closed body language because they are A.) Self Conscious
B.) Having a shit day
C.) Tired of getting hit on by undeserving men (notice I didn't just leave it at tired of getting hit on. No girl is thinking "God damnit. I do not want to be swept away by some fabulous deserving gentleman right now. Keep good men away from me!")

The best thing to do is knock her out of routine, offer fun, start the game with a smile, and let her open up her body language to you. Or, you can open her body language yourself:

I was at a workshop last night, and some guys were practicing opening to me at a "bar" (the bar was actually Jordan Harbinger's dishwasher.) Now, I had both my hands on the bar, closed off everything else in the room. The guys would come in, offer their hand in a non threatening, friendly way, spin me around, open my body language up, then immediately give me negative body language and start bantering "You're trouble. Too bad I don't date bad girls anymore." If all the previous worked, I'd immediately start to qualify myself to him, at which point he'd banter a bit more then move into rapport.

I wouldn't worry about making her "comfortable." You're treating the symptom, not the problem. Knock her out of whatever routine or bored state of mind she's in that's making her cross her arms in the first place. Offer fun, don't be creepy, smile, play. If she's still squatty sour puss after you've tried to rescue her from her crap frame of mind, fuck it. You just screened out a debbie downer. Consider it a blessing.

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YES. on all counts.

She's bringing it up because she's flagging to you that she is a modern woman who is comfortable with her sexuality. Or, she's gonna test the waters to see if you take the bait. It takes a pretty strong woman to have that kind of sexual frame with a man... a freak in the sheets but a lady on the streets if you know what I'm sayin'

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Zip what do you do when a girl is not playful?

okay first of all this is online sarging. Every other girl i talk to are playful and take things well meaning negs/cocky-funny/jokes etc..

There is this one girl that i know for some time. i used to talk to her and she was cool, she would answer joke around but now that is all changed!! Here is a few things i have noticed bout her. She doesnt get any comments from anyone meaning guys lol thats sad.. she is a 8 i would say, she has a big bitch shield, she think too highly of herself but ofcourse she doesnt mention it but i notice this from the way she talks and her pics/places she has been too with certun people.

One thing that realy makes her talk is when you trough a little compliment at her. She loves it when you talk about herself/ what she wears and how nice it is. She instently answers with a big smile loll.. Im not the type to cpmliment very often unless i feel she earned it or if its time and since that is the only way to comunicate, what do you think i should do??..

How do you go by deepening this relationship? maybe hang out/# close etc.. I have talked and tried to open here and once in a while she does but she usualy answers short, some times she answers long if yours asking like an opinion type question, but after she stats her opinion and the its my turn to do so, it seems she doesnt care or want me too i dont know its weired. I want to make her qualify herself to me .. i know most people would say drop it she is not interested, i know i want to learn how to overcome this issue, and i know its not because of my looks, she dates guys with my style plus I mean look at me loll Now watch out im like a P**** magnet....you'll fall in love with me quick, some call it lucky, some call it americal but im know as "The irresistible man" lol

a little help would be appreciated

excuse the language

Zip, love, the one thing I'm not gonna do is apologise for having high standards...

Impressive breakdown though (is that a smile on your face right now?), thank you very much. I asked you this same question in another thread, but I realised the answer actually belongs here - what literature, other than what you've already written on the subject, would you recommend for guys struggling with comfort? Could you provide your own perspective on what it actually is and how to achieve it?

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Zip: I'd appreciate you perspective on this..

Just yesterday she texts me:

"Can I ask you a question? I need guy's opinion on something"

"What's up with a guy that is really affectionate at first and says he could see himself marrying me and then be distant and non affectionate the next week?

(she's been with him for about a month, I think)

I respond (AFC, I guess)

"Awful early for this, isn't it? You guys should still be honeymooning."

Then I say (AFC):

"I don't know this guy, so I cannot say anything definitive. However, you shouldn't blame yourself. It could be stress, family problems, or another woman, but it is not your fault."

She is shy and naive, and it sounds as though she has been played. How do I probe to find out when it is over, over and then gracefully swoop in to save the day without looking like a chump on standby for her

Thanks, Zip

Zip

How Alpha of me would it be if I said

" I dont have a lot of time right now, im going on break but may i call you later"

vs

"Since you made me laugh today, You have the honor of calling me later"

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Hey what's up? I have a question about approach/conversation.

Do i have to add some game routines for people who just don't talk? I may be wrong with this..don't think i am...BUT a few of the girls at the party tonight gave me lots of eye contact ..would hold and sometimes smile. Body language was in my favor which i was pretty sure ment an invite to "try out" or whatever.

Example.
Really good looking girl at a mainly sausage party...maybe 3 guuys to everyone 1 girl. I saw her shoot down a few guys...so i retire my beer pong winning street and walk over to my friends now playing(which is also next to her). It was her and her "girlfriend" ....i came close and another girl introduced me to both of them.

Me: Kim right?
Hb7: noo not Tim ..KIM
Me: i said tim...but considering your long hair...i assumed you were a girl so Kim sounds more realistic then Tim
Me: i mean..you aren't a guy right?
Me: wait wait...that's a little bulge i see
HB: (laughing) yeah ...blah..references to her big penis'..pretty clear images she has in her head...and the laughing/joking = IOIs

Then i blanked. ...later re opened her and she was just as receptive ...but i saw another guy was gaming her and honestly...the girl wasn't hot enough to fight over ..but that created DHV for her HOT h9 IMO..maybe not model but college girl. anyway

I go back around the room and continue talking to some friends...joking around blah. Then i make my way over here...and i've HEARD this is a mistake..but i just stood there with my arms crossed as if i was watching the beer pong game.

Me: You look bored.
Me: how can you be bored at a party?
hb9: the keg is done and there's no more beer
Me: (i really think this would have been a good hook into qualification..probably going to use again..unfortunatly i said it too low and she didn't hear me/stuttered)
Me: haha..so your defiantly one of those ppl that need alcohol to feel comfortable to socialize? ..ment for it to be a neg/slight interest as to WHY she needs alcohol...qualification may be to actually have a conversation to prove she doesn't need alcohol...any good you think?Anyway

Hb: blah i forgot
Me: (turned back to table...body language was arm crossed leaning back...comfortable in my space..not sure if it was bad b/c it was a closed position..but isn't that supposed to add to "why doesnt he fully open me?"
Me: haha. i did have some of the beer to drink so i just spaced....repeat what you said
Hb: blah...
me: Do you go to this university..
hb: no
Me: then why are you here...who's ur friend?
Hb : oo..kim told me about it
Me: yeah kim seems cool(dhv via i've already talked to her friend?)
HB : yeah ..she's my girlfriend
Me: lesbians...i love that
Hb: yeah...we're lesbians(she didn't give the vibe of joking but rather "just w/e"
me: that's sweet...i'm gay...we rock
Hb: yeah you should go to a gay club
Me: ...wtf..isn't everyone here gay?

Turned back to my spot...towards game..leaning back. I then started to talk to another girl and she left to where kim was

I mean...Honestly i'm so lost with fluff. Am i going to go from "yeah isn't this a gay club" to a good discussion such as views on homosexuality? I wouldn't mind...but most girls i think would be too deep too soon?

I know it's long...but i really tried to be conscious of my actions and not be my typical safe....= practice the ways of PUA...so i can recall most of my night pretty easy haha. ANyway...what can i do better?