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Here is a blog I just wrote... just some thoughts, Link: http://scienceofnaturalgame.com/2013/08 ... mensional/

Pick Up Artist vs. Seduction Artist: Women aren’t Linear… They’re Multi-Dimensional

Hey Guys,

Just a thought I recently had…

I recently began using a phrase while having a discussion within kasabi from the forum, “seduction artist”, a long while back I came to the conclusion that Pick up artists don’t really get laid… they get phone numbers… make outs…. Dates… but none them seem to get laid consistently (or it’s very limited)… They get lucky after making hundreds of approaches… even worse than the averages ironically… Even worse they then go out and give you advice on women and what they want.

Note: Pick up artists who talk about seduction tend to get laid though (these are often masters or seducers who started off as Pick up artists).

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Honestly I’m tired of a lot of most pick up artist’s advice… it sucks… it’s limiting and guys who actually fuck women find it as a useless bunch of information. Seduction Artists see everything as a tactic and that they vary for the moment. While most Pick up artists seem to think there is one tactic that will get you laid or get you a phone number… the problem is “there are a 1000 ways to skin a cat.”

No way is more right or wrong, simply different and depending on your personality and “frame” you will have tendencies and congruency with different tactic. I don’t think anyone should take on my exact behaviors but I teach guys the “why” of tactics so they know how they can use the same tactic with their personality and not mine…. What I do is not what works for the next guy… as well as vice versa.

The problem in the community is guys think there is one “routine” or magic technique that works every time for every man but that simply isn’t true.

The ultimate truth and difference is WOMEN ARE NOT LINEAR. There is no ONE technique… women are multi-dimensional so what should you be? MULTI-DIMENSIONAL.

The difference between an average seduction artist and average pick up artist is simple (outside of a seduction artist will get laid): A seduction artist is multi-dimensional with women… he is responsive… and reactive to her… a chameleon for her needs… and yes a confident collected man with substance… he reads her body language.

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A pick up artist has a small variety of skills he’s mastered and doesn’t really read and react to women but instead has a set form of behaviors where he “makes out with women” or scores number or dates.

I have been saying on the forum for the last 3 years body language is the key to natural game…. There is a reason for that… it allows you to react to and be responsive to the women… to come in at the energy level she needs… it creates the ultimate responsive form of game where you read her and thus: Build a connection, understand what she needs, blend to the women, and get a higher percentage of women.

Note: Exhibiting proper body language also gets you lots of “looks”.

You have guys who understand women and seduction rather than understand the “3 types of guys” on the forum and realize the majority guys who get laid know how and when to adjust…. There is no this tactic works better than that… there is this tactic works better for this situation while that tactic works better for that situation.

Note: There are tactics that tend to be more congruent with who we are thus work better for us.

Does this mean you shouldn’t have 1 go to move? No, we all have one tendency but the guys who get laid by the dozen… the guys who fuck hundreds of women… the guys who never needed this forum… the “seduction artists” use many tactics and are responsive to the woman.

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Be careful who you take advice from… careful you don’t take advice from an average pick up artist with no seduction tools or you’ll just going to be another guy collecting numbers and not fucking girls… be a seduction artist with a variety of tools. The Most important thing is seduction artists teach guys to be themselves and fuck the girl by way of giving them a variety of tools that work for their situation and are congruent with that person. They also teach you the RIGHT frame to work from rather than some bull shit frame that isn’t as adaptive.

Remember:

There is one truth with women that can’t be argued “women are multi-dimensional.”

This leads us to another truth “The best way to consistently get women is to be multi-dimensional….Be a responsive man that knows the when and what.”

Learn to read women and react to what they want at the proper moment and your skills with women will escalate 10 fold. Good luck in all your Seduction endeavors guys.

Peace and Love,

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P.S. I have room for one more student if you'd like to learn to read women: all-you-need-on-body-language-vt165762.html

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Well to ad to the discussion, while i agree pick up is not linear... Here is some of the problems i have with "Seducers". IMo a seducer will be as you say a "chamaleon" and will adapt to that girls and change strategies etc... The problem with those approaches is that imo is that you have to adapt and compromise your original goal . So lets say a girl is looking for a boyfriend and a long term relationship and i am looking to fast sex, and i already have a relationship... If i adapt to show her i have bf potential to seducer her an fuck her, it will be a bit miss leading and may casue long term problems. I am more of the screening approach to pick up, i rather instead of adapting and becoming a chamaleon, just look for a girl that will be receptive to my style, personality and original goal, instead of "seducing her". I believe the second approach on focusing on screening, instead of adapting is way more efficient, that spend time and adapt to her. So there are 2 schools of seduction:

there are 2 school of pick up the ones, for example like me and warped mindless that focus on screening:


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what about bukowski_merit and all the dudes that screen for DTFness through sexual verbals so they don't waste time on dates?

The other school believes there's no game, and it comes down to figuring out which numbers are DTF and which aren't, this school emphasizes screening.

Then there is the other school like you and sexaddict that focus on attraction and seduction....


Both approaches work, everything works... It is just a matter of choice, goals, etc... As you say there are many ways to skim the cat.

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The problem with those approaches is that imo is that you have to adapt and compromise your original goal . So lets say a girl is looking for a boyfriend and a long term relationship and i am looking to fast sex, and i already have a relationship... If i adapt to show her i have bf potential to seducer her an fuck her, it will be a bit miss leading and may casue long term problems. I am more of the screening approach to pick up, i rather instead of adapting and becoming a chamaleon, just look for a girl that will be receptive to my style, personality and original goal, instead of "seducing her".
@ Skills......Poetic wasn't really saying this point specifically but I can see what you are saying as well.


What you need to keep in mind here is that a vast majority of women are seeking a "relationship" Hell even a majority of men do. With this in mind, it is critical to always demonstrate some sort of boyfriend potential, even when "just sex" is implied. Women are emotion based, they think and act with their "hearts" therefore alot of them need an emotional connection and use sex as an acceptance of you and your potential to be a long term lover.

It's one thing to have your own set of morals and not want to "lie" to a woman, but this is pick up. to be an efficient pick up artist one cannot be bound by such restrictions. If I were to have told women the truth about my exploits and my intentions throughout the past 20 years, I can assure you my numbers would have not been anywhere near what they are now.

I will admit, as I got older, I did shy away from miss leading women as far as my Interest towards them and my intentions. But as my skill set increased it did get a lot easier to identify the DTF women, but sometimes it's not so easy to find these women and logistics are horrible. This is where both styles need to come into play.

Women change their minds all the time, dump dudes that they were totally into a week before. Cut off guys because they were shit in bed, had a small dick, sucked at kissing...etc etc. It's not difficult to do the same to a woman, even in a respectable way. They lie to us men all the fucking time. If I were to generalize, I'd say women play men more then men play women.

Women lie to us men all the time to gain our attraction they wear push up bra's, make up, high heel shoes....etc etc. Why can we not as men do the same?

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I believe the second approach on focusing on screening, instead of adapting is way more efficient, that spend time and adapt to her. So there are 2 schools of seduction:
This hold true to an extent, but it is my belief you must have both schools to be the ultimate artist.

When a woman is attracted to a man she will show signs, she will flirt, she will act sexual, she may even grab your package right then and there but it doesn't mean she will act like that on a day 2(especially if alcohol was involved) and it doesn't mean she has not been screening you for boyfriend material the entire time, even if all you talked about was sex.

If you don't adapt in this ^^^ scenario, you may lose the target. If you don't adapt to both styles, you will become limited, especially if your current means to the smaller pool of DTF women depleats for many many reasons.

In my opinion a good pick up artist has to seduce the target, the very definition of the word seduction is to "entice" to "lure". Every woman has different wants and needs, if you don't cater to their desires, they will find someone that does, regardless of how smooth you were and how much you turned her on. If your ultimate goal is to fuck her, do what ever it takes, you don't need to jepordize your own integrity to do this. It gets easier and easier with practice.

Some of the most desired people on the planet are actors, they are instant sex objects, yes a lot are just simply beautiful, but there is simply beautiful people everywhere. What makes the actors so much more desirable? A lot of times, it is the character they played or the persona they created on screen. They simply "seduced" their audience.

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Both approaches work, everything works... It is just a matter of choice, goals, etc... As you say there are many ways to skim the cat.


Both may work, especially together, but If I were to pick one to be more efficient, I'd definitely go with the seduction. There is simply much more of a selection and a much much bigger pond to swim in.

You don't have to be the man of their dreams, but it wise to appear to be.

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Man, great thoughts...

I kinda look at the issue the same way I look at the world as a whole... there are winners and there are losers. "Losers cry about doing their best, winners go out and fuck the prom queen." Some men work hard to be the best at whatever they do....other just want to get rich quick or that instant pussy getter. Seems to me that most of the PUA might be men that didnt want to grow as a human, just get "rich" quick. Where as, some men, like the three of you, work hard to achieve goals. One of which is taking PUA to the pro level of seduction. Its not the outcome that drives you but the pursuit of perfection.

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The problem with those approaches is that imo is that you have to adapt and compromise your original goal . So lets say a girl is looking for a boyfriend and a long term relationship and i am looking to fast sex, and i already have a relationship... If i adapt to show her i have bf potential to seducer her an fuck her, it will be a bit miss leading and may casue long term problems. I am more of the screening approach to pick up, i rather instead of adapting and becoming a chamaleon, just look for a girl that will be receptive to my style, personality and original goal, instead of "seducing her".
@ Skills......Poetic wasn't really saying this point specifically but I can see what you are saying as well.


What you need to keep in mind here is that a vast majority of women are seeking a "relationship" Hell even a majority of men do. With this in mind, it is critical to always demonstrate some sort of boyfriend potential, even when "just sex" is implied. Women are emotion based, they think and act with their "hearts" therefore alot of them need an emotional connection and use sex as an acceptance of you and your potential to be a long term lover.

It's one thing to have your own set of morals and not want to "lie" to a woman, but this is pick up. to be an efficient pick up artist one cannot be bound by such restrictions. If I were to have told women the truth about my exploits and my intentions throughout the past 20 years, I can assure you my numbers would have not been anywhere near what they are now.

I will admit, as I got older, I did shy away from miss leading women as far as my Interest towards them and my intentions. But as my skill set increased it did get a lot easier to identify the DTF women, but sometimes it's not so easy to find these women and logistics are horrible. This is where both styles need to come into play.

Women change their minds all the time, dump dudes that they were totally into a week before. Cut off guys because they were shit in bed, had a small dick, sucked at kissing...etc etc. It's not difficult to do the same to a woman, even in a respectable way. They lie to us men all the fucking time. If I were to generalize, I'd say women play men more then men play women.

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I believe the second approach on focusing on screening, instead of adapting is way more efficient, that spend time and adapt to her. So there are 2 schools of seduction:
This hold true to an extent, but it is my belief you must have both schools to be the ultimate artist.

When a woman is attracted to a man she will show signs, she will flirt, she will act sexual, she may even grab your package right then and there but it doesn't mean she will act like that on a day 2(especially if alcohol was involved) and it doesn't mean she has not been screening you for boyfriend material the entire time, even if all you talked about was sex.

If you don't adapt in this ^^^ scenario, you may lose the target. If you don't adapt to both styles, you will become limited, especially if your current means to the smaller pool of DTF women depleats for many many reasons.

In my opinion a good pick up artist has to seduce the target, the very definition of the word seduction is to "entice" to "lure". Every woman has different wants and needs, if you don't cater to their desires, they will find someone that does, regardless of how smooth you were and how much you turned her on. If your ultimate goal is to fuck her, do what ever it takes, you don't need to jepordize your own integrity to do this. It gets easier and easier with practice.

Some of the most desired people on the planet are actors, they are instant sex objects, yes a lot are just simply beautiful, but there is simply beautiful people everywhere. What makes the actors so much more desirable? A lot of times, it is the character they played or the persona they created on screen. They simply "seduced" their audience.

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Both approaches work, everything works... It is just a matter of choice, goals, etc... As you say there are many ways to skim the cat.


Both may work, especially together, but If I were to pick one to be more efficient, I'd definitely go with the seduction. There is simply much more of a selection and a much much bigger pond to swim in.

You don't have to be the man of their dreams, but it wise to appear to be.
I offer nothing but sexual satisfaction, the ones that are and want a bf(which most women are) that is fine, but she will not get bf or relationship from me, but awesome fun and sexual satisfaction, i do not want to convert every girl... I offer sex in exchange for sex. I am not interested in seduction, i am interested in sex..
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“Lover VS Provider” Theory And The M/W Complex By Teevester aka Tva_oslo:
Women are seeking two types of mates – call it different providers. Consider sex being a trade, what you are trading for the sex defines what kind of provider you are. The men women are seeking who are confident, independent, attractive having a lot of women chasing them are called “sex providers” – this is the man women finds sexually attractive – the man who women would like to have sex just for the sake of having sex. These men are often behaving sexually toward women, making themselves being perceived as sexual beings – sex providers. This type of men is usually called “alpha males” or “lovers” in community lingo. Important to point out, these men are trading sex for sex. However, these are a minority – whereas the majority of men are providers of anything else of women’s needs such as social value, material goods, emotional support and so on. These men will trade something else than sex in for having sex with a woman. As a matter of fact this type of providers tend to get sex from being in relationships with women.
Now you might ask why is that a problem? Well whenever a woman gets “too attracted to you” in ways that are not purely sexual (-i.e. not perceiving you as lover/sex provider), women will tend to act in very pure and a-sexual way toward those men – she will start expressing purity. This is because she feels more attractive when ever she acts non-sexual toward men and feels unattractive when she is behaving too sexually or promiscuous. Women in fact believe we men do not like women who are sexually open – as they are very familiar with the complex many men have which is called “the Madonna/whore” complex. There are many versions of this complex but the most common one is described as men perceiving women as either plain whores, who are just sex tools without, who are useless when it comes to relationships, or “madonnas”, which men perceives as pure and good. These “madonnas” being known as the pure and correct women, are often perceived by men as better fitted for relationships. Women aware of the following will then act in way that communicates that she is a Madonna – in order words she will behave very a-sexually toward male who they perceive as potential relationship candidates. This is because they believe, and they are right in most of the case that men usually do prefer women that are “pure and correct” because men fantasize about women that are exclusive to them.
The sad fact is that the idea of the pure Madonna remains just a plain fantasy. The cold fact is that no women are pure madonnas, neither are they whores for that instance – any women can be sweet and correct, but they are also “whores” as every women have a sexual biological drive – this is a universal truth about healthy women. Still many men believe some madonnas do exist – we have all heard “she is not like the rest”. Now the problem occurs whenever a man is too attractive to a woman in a way that is not just purely sexual, she starts perceiving that man as a boyfriend potential – nothing bad with that, but she will perceive him as a provider – meaning that the relationship would not be based on the sexual aspect. Therefore she is better off expressing her “Madonna side” by showing purity – acting a-sexual in order to win her man over, as that what believes works. This is why women will often make men wait for sex – “I am not that kind of girl” –, which is something we don’t want to happen. We don’t want women to act pure toward us, as we want sexual openness – women fucking us quickly and good. Many times we just want to simply fuck a girl, not enter a relationship – or if we do want to enter a relationship with that girl, we do not want to commit on a false premise – her being a pure Madonna. A quick word of advice is to never ever enter a relationship on her terms – as you don’t want to exchange sex for anything else than sex. Keep in mind that you can easily start relationships with women by being perceived as a sex provider – these relationships will be of better quality and last longer.

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I offer nothing but sexual satisfaction, the ones that are and want a bf(which most women are) that is fine, but she will not get bf or relationship from me, but awesome fun and sexual satisfaction, i do not want to convert every girl... I offer sex in exchange for sex. I am not interested in seduction, i am interested in sex...
I get what you are saying skills, I really do. I too am seeking sex. And I'm not saying to give the impression that you want a relationship with a woman to get in her pants. But with certain women you must atleast demonstrate your availabilty for one or it's done right there. It doesn't mean you have to start a relationship to do this. All you have to do is demonstrate your availability for it.

Screening for sex is a huge part of my game and my only goal. However, wouldn't you agree that the more desirable traits you can exhibit to the opposite sex, the easier it is to fuck them.


My sexuality is overwhelming and always in the fore front of my game. Women know and feel this, they know sex with me is going to happen sooner then later if they hang around and because of this, (imo) they need ways to justify sex with me so soon. If I am giving off boyfriend material qualities on top of my sexuality, it's much easier for a women (not just looking for sex) to give in to her sexual desire.

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“Lover VS Provider” Theory And The M/W Complex By Teevester aka Tva_oslo:
Women are seeking two types of mates – call it different providers. Consider sex being a trade, what you are trading for the sex defines what kind of provider you are. The men women are seeking who are confident, independent, attractive having a lot of women chasing them are called “sex providers” – this is the man women finds sexually attractive – the man who women would like to have sex just for the sake of having sex. These men are often behaving sexually toward women, making themselves being perceived as sexual beings – sex providers. This type of men is usually called “alpha males” or “lovers” in community lingo. Important to point out, these men are trading sex for sex. However, these are a minority – whereas the majority of men are providers of anything else of women’s needs such as social value, material goods, emotional support and so on. These men will trade something else than sex in for having sex with a woman. As a matter of fact this type of providers tend to get sex from being in relationships with women.
Now you might ask why is that a problem? Well whenever a woman gets “too attracted to you” in ways that are not purely sexual (-i.e. not perceiving you as lover/sex provider), women will tend to act in very pure and a-sexual way toward those men – she will start expressing purity. This is because she feels more attractive when ever she acts non-sexual toward men and feels unattractive when she is behaving too sexually or promiscuous. Women in fact believe we men do not like women who are sexually open – as they are very familiar with the complex many men have which is called “the Madonna/whore” complex. There are many versions of this complex but the most common one is described as men perceiving women as either plain whores, who are just sex tools without, who are useless when it comes to relationships, or “madonnas”, which men perceives as pure and good. These “madonnas” being known as the pure and correct women, are often perceived by men as better fitted for relationships. Women aware of the following will then act in way that communicates that she is a Madonna – in order words she will behave very a-sexually toward male who they perceive as potential relationship candidates. This is because they believe, and they are right in most of the case that men usually do prefer women that are “pure and correct” because men fantasize about women that are exclusive to them.
The sad fact is that the idea of the pure Madonna remains just a plain fantasy. The cold fact is that no women are pure madonnas, neither are they whores for that instance – any women can be sweet and correct, but they are also “whores” as every women have a sexual biological drive – this is a universal truth about healthy women. Still many men believe some madonnas do exist – we have all heard “she is not like the rest”. Now the problem occurs whenever a man is too attractive to a woman in a way that is not just purely sexual, she starts perceiving that man as a boyfriend potential – nothing bad with that, but she will perceive him as a provider – meaning that the relationship would not be based on the sexual aspect. Therefore she is better off expressing her “Madonna side” by showing purity – acting a-sexual in order to win her man over, as that what believes works. This is why women will often make men wait for sex – “I am not that kind of girl” –, which is something we don’t want to happen. We don’t want women to act pure toward us, as we want sexual openness – women fucking us quickly and good. Many times we just want to simply fuck a girl, not enter a relationship – or if we do want to enter a relationship with that girl, we do not want to commit on a false premise – her being a pure Madonna. A quick word of advice is to never ever enter a relationship on her terms – as you don’t want to exchange sex for anything else than sex. Keep in mind that you can easily start relationships with women by being perceived as a sex provider – these relationships will be of better quality and last longer.
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This is a great theory and very well thought out, a lot of it rings true in my opinion. If only it was this black and white for me. Also I am usually long gone by the time a woman has a desire to modify her behaviour this way.

When it comes to women and courtship, I've found there to be a huge grey area between the two. For example I've had women that were only interested in sex but then wanted more, I've had women that were only interested in dating but then wanted sex only. I've had women that just wanted to get fucked or use me for sex, or to make someone jealous, or to compete with another. I've had women that couldn't stand me to begin with...and of course the women that had absolutely no idea of what they wanted.

My point here is that women are fucking scatter brains and change their needs and desires at a moments notice and constantly.

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Women lie to us men all the time to gain our attraction they wear push up bra's, make up, high heel shoes....etc etc. Why can we not as men do the same?
In this regard, I really like Skills360's Salami Philosophy, here: post797723.html#p797723

But I think a cute Chihuahuha in there builds better emotional connection with women since girls love cute toy dogs. This is classical Pavlovian conditioning. You get instant comfort and emotional highs from girls by maximizing their conditioned reflex to toy dogs. You are in a way making your package have a positive emotional association with feel good feelings in girls; which is, of course, higher than the primal instinct of craving for good food such as a salami in the Maslowian triangular hierarchy of needs.
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When a woman is attracted to a man she will show signs, she will flirt, she will act sexual, she may even grab your package right then and there but it doesn't mean she will act like that on a day 2(especially if alcohol was involved) and it doesn't mean she has not been screening you for boyfriend material the entire time, even if all you talked about was sex.

If you don't adapt in this ^^^ scenario, you may lose the target. If you don't adapt to both styles, you will become limited, especially if your current means to the smaller pool of DTF women depleats for many many reasons.
This is very true infield. A woman will want a serious relationship this week and by next week she wants nothing from you but sex. The scientific explanation for this is that women undergo peak ovulation. When women are not fertile, they want serious, committed relationship. When they are fertile, they just want your piece of meat; it doesn't really matter whether you're a Fortune 500 company executive or not as long as you make a girl horny.

In simple terms: Adapt or get your nuts sore.

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Awesome.... nice discussion guys!

I agree that screening is good... I'm big on warm approaches.... as promised skills I'll get on an article on warm approaching.

My point wasn't that you only use one style of game even with screening you still need some form of calibration(which you admitted to doing skills)... some responsiveness to the woman.... that is all I'm saying.

So yeah... I use a combination of screening and responsive game which really creates a situation where you rarely if ever get rejected simply by spotting women that are out on the prowl, available, and knowing how to push her buttons right... to me it seems simple but I have a difficult time explaining all it entails in a short period time.

Hellhound as usual bringing that science to the table man... awesome. Too true... most guys don't realize that a woman wants a "masculine specimen" during one era of their cycle (ovulation) while the rest of their cycle want quite another... a more efeminite "provider".

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As for me, it's about both screening and seduction-

I'm not like Skills, usually I do want a relationship, very rarely do I want only sex, but it happens. Like... right now it's happening lol.

So I screen for girls that want the same as me, and then I will use my seduction skills according to that. I do not put on a fake agenda, I put on an agenda that is as clear as water and at the same time fucking sexy.

If I screened properly this tactic hardly ever fails, unless something really unexpected thing happens.

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As for me, it's about both screening and seduction-

I'm not like Skills, usually I do want a relationship, very rarely do I want only sex, but it happens. Like... right now it's happening lol.

So I screen for girls that want the same as me, and then I will use my seduction skills according to that. I do not put on a fake agenda, I put on an agenda that is as clear as water and at the same time fucking sexy.

If I screened properly this tactic hardly ever fails, unless something really unexpected thing happens.

Wanting a relationship or not is fine, but you have to fuck them fast since is the easiest, fastest and most effective way to have a relationship and get the girl invested... You screening for girls that want a relationship is horrible and super ineffective, re-read the lover vs provider stuff that i posted....

@ hellhound, you know i was trolling that guy right?? i was joking. I hope he does not go ahead and put a salami in the underwear, god!.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:03 am 
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@ hellhound, you know i was trolling that guy right?? i was joking. I hope he does not go ahead and put a salami in the underwear, god!.
Well, do you really think I was serious when I said that instead of placing a salami in your pants, guys should place a Chihuahua in there?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:19 am 
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You screening for girls that want a relationship is horrible and super ineffective, re-read the lover vs provider stuff that i posted....
May I ask how did you come to this conclusion? I don't remember saying anything about how I screen...

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you have to fuck them fast since is the easiest, fastest and most effective way to have a relationship and get the girl invested...
^This is common sense. I don't remember ever disagreeing with this either.

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