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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:23 pm 
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Besides, it takes a lot of skill and intelligence to defend a new article in routine Articles for Deletion debates in Wikipedia. The quality assurance procedures for new articles is tight as a donkey's ass.

This is funny because I recently updated Michael Douglas' wikipedia myself. I added info about the "throat cancer from oral sex information". I guess I pass the "tight as a donkey's ass" quality assurance procedures you think Wikipedia has...lol

If you have ANY degree in psychology, please share your credentials because anyone who does knows that Role Theory has virtually nothing to do with someone you know well. How long are you fooled by girl who is prissy, religious and nice on the outside, but then you find out she has slept with all your friends and kinkier than a porn star in bed???

All the rest of you haters and pseudo PUAs can criticize Alan and make bets that you can't cash all you want.

Why don't you post of video of one of your clients getting engaged and happy? Show us exactly how all your talking on the forum is backed up in reality. Show us pics of you. Show us pics of the girls that your primitive techniques work on. Please show ANY proof at all.

I'm willing to BET you won't!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:15 pm 
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Besides, it takes a lot of skill and intelligence to defend a new article in routine Articles for Deletion debates in Wikipedia. The quality assurance procedures for new articles is tight as a donkey's ass.

This is funny because I recently updated Michael Douglas' wikipedia myself. I added info about the "throat cancer from oral sex information". I guess I pass the "tight as a donkey's ass" quality assurance procedures you think Wikipedia has...lol

If you have ANY degree in psychology, please share your credentials because anyone who does knows that Role Theory has virtually nothing to do with someone you know well. How long are you fooled by girl who is prissy, religious and nice on the outside, but then you find out she has slept with all your friends and kinkier than a porn star in bed???

All the rest of you haters and pseudo PUAs can criticize Alan and make bets that you can't cash all you want.

Why don't you post of video of one of your clients getting engaged and happy? Show us exactly how all your talking on the forum is backed up in reality. Show us pics of you. Show us pics of the girls that your primitive techniques work on. Please show ANY proof at all.

I'm willing to BET you won't!
You are defining happiness on getting engaged/married? ROTFLMAO.... Are you fucking kidding me? That is when your life is OVER if you ask me... Go to the same shit job you have and work. Come home to the same piece of ass that you will look at for the rest of your life. Sit around and watch old TV shows together because "that's what married people do." Go to sleep. Wake up and do it all over. Kick on the auto pilot switch and you fucking die and old, miserable fuck who thought "I'm happy now because I have a wife" and yet was really never "happy"

Marriage is a concept created by other people to make you think you are happy once you have accomplished such task. Once you can let go of that idea of needing the things that society tells you that you need in order to be "happy" is when you will truly become "happy." This poor sap Alan you are talking about is just happy that he doesn't have to go to bed alone anymore. His "nice guy" self has been chewed up, eaten, shat out, and spit on so many times that he is just happy "someone finally loves him." But that happiness will not last... I can promise you that...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:23 pm 
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Good for your little couple there....good for them!

I wish them peace, love, eternity and 20 babies.

Being the nice guy WORKED...for him. Cool.

I actually think being nice in this instance worked well because it was an approach she was unaccustomed with...different. Often the very key many seek.

On the flip side.

We’re not Assholes because we’re terrible people; we’re Assholes because it’s fucking awesome.

It's fucking crazy fun, and yes...it works.

You know how girls always fucking complain about how they want to meet a nice guy instead of the typical Asshole? Well you know why that shit happens? Because girls fucking love Assholes!
Everyone fucking knows guys like me don’t take girls out on dates, or show up to their door with flowers or god forbid “spend time” with them when we‘re sober. We bang those girls then never fucking talk to them again. But somehow, even though we aren't the sweet guy of their dreams, they still fucking text us at like 3 am looking for another late night hookup!


My Avitar is a former conquest.

But then again (just me here) I don't do this for money, or fame.
I do not have A "CLIENT LIST". Although I consult often.

I do it because I love it.

AND I am not JUST an asshole.

Trouble is Assholes seem to have trouble sticking around.
Prison, sudden death, someone else’s Baby’s Daddy, things like that.
Now I’m NOT saying you need to be an Asshole to attract women, on the contrary. You need to look at the attributes that attracts women to that type of mind set.
Assholes are not needy, they don’t require validation from anyone, they are always self-serving, they are CONFIDANT, and they are independent. They believe in themselves wrong or right.

I've said this a lot, but,

If you start off from the mental place that you are an amazing guy, and that you don’t need a partner (or anyone else for that matter) to validate you, then you are on the right track. The woman you become attracted to becomes important for you, but not necessarily 'everything'. You don’t depend on her to make you feel important, or like a man, or even loved, because those things are already part of you. Therefore as a man you would still be capable of rational thought, and capable too of knowing that your relationship MAY come to an end, but you know that wouldn't be the end of the world, because you are a slick enough person to find someone else worthy of your affection.

If your nice guy pal has this, he had already won.

Just my thoughts,

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:41 pm 
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I don't know how many times and in how many different ways I have repeated not to take advise from women. Women do not date and pick up other women, even the bi and lesbo is not the same shit.

Anyways, nice guys=push over, it will never end up well...

Asshole does better than the nice guy, due to polarization, but still not ideal

A good guy(in the inside), that is a man, and behaves like a man(not a pushover), and is attractive(bingo).

A guy getting married is the worst example of success lol... Most nice guys that are married are miserable, and their wives are cheating with me, I may post a field report later on this... Or just take a look of all my lay reports women married to nice guys, fucking me.


Anyways here, as seen in my book, source heartless bitches international (in this case women advise is right on):


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Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS

You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him."

I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it.

What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life...

Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.

Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date".

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him.

Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.

Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here."

The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?"

More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!

Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love".

Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:15 am 
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I'm the owner of Optimacy and Stace asked me to look at what she's been dealing with on this forum trying to help guys.

I'm also the guy who coached Alan (the guy that got engaged in the video). If you don't know him, then I suspect it's easy to make assumptions like many of the comments I've read on this thread. I had my own doubts about whether this approach would work.

However, it's impossible to deny the results. He landed a girl that is well above his league "looks-wise" and she is 100% committed to him. She is constantly surrounded by male models and temptations at her job. There hasn't been the slightest issue between them well over a year now. In fact, she was more worried about one of HIS ex-gfs more than anything.

I think the main reason there is disagreement in this thread is 2 reasons:

1. Some people didn't read my article thoroughly. Alan is atypical of the normal client and my advice to him was not the same as what would work for me or some other client.

In fact, I got a blow job just this past weekend in the bathroom of the House of Blues from a girl I met at the concert. I definitely played the role/facade of 'bad boy', which worked much better on a short-term basis than being Mr. Chivalry/Nice Guy.

HOWEVER, the girl I met is nobody I would marry and nobody I would even date seriously. Thus, I think people are confusing how certain tactics work better in short vs. long term and vice-versa.

Overall, the guy in this thread who said he is a "nice guy with boundaries" will be someone that has the highest percentage of success with the broadest range of different type women and types of relationships.

There will ALWAYS be exceptions, but if you guys want to argue every conceivable permutation, then I guess you are welcome to do so.

2. People have a psychological tendency to think their view of the world is universal and applies to everyone. For example, the guy who thinks everyone's life is over after marriage is not representative of most people. Same goes for the guy who thinks you should 'never listen to advice of women'.

This is a scary level of narcissism from someone totally unqualified to be giving psychological advice to others.

Not every person is the same and not everyone wants the same thing.

Alan knows me really well and knows how many hot girls I hook up with regularly, yet he wouldn't switch places with me. On the flip side, I love his fiance Jennifer, but I wouldn't switch places with him either. Surprise, surprise, we are BOTH HAPPY.

This is basically the MACRO point of this thread. A lot of the prototypical PUA advice is NOT universal. It will work with some people, but this thread was highlighting that there is more than one way to skin a cat.


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