[quote="Paramount21"]interesting, so like would any of these guys fall under the category of good looking guys in your opinion?

What is that?? We talking from womens point of view! He wrote that he got the feedback from women, not from men. Hahaha

Honestly bro, i have the same problem. I have been told many people that i could have any girl i want in my college just based on my looks, but when i actually try to get the girl, i fail miserably... Recently, a guy who isn't close to being better looking than me won a girl over me. This is why i am here. There are clearly flaws in my game and in my personality that seriously conflicting in how i come off to a women. The only plus side is I am good at kiss closing girls I contribute that to good looks. i dont know why i have trouble getting with girls i am aquainted with. Its like if i don't make a move on a girl that i just met for the first time, my chances of anything with her in the future are shot.

Being good looking is a plus, yes. But looks are only one factor among many others. I absolutely agree that it helps in the opening phase of an interaction, but if your game sucks you won´t get anywhere, no matter how handsome you are. With game I mean inner game more then anything. All pickup boils down to confidence in my opinion and experience. Being 43 I can say that I have tons of all kinds of experiences... I still am a good looking guy and women of all ages still find me appealing, but I can guarantee you I was much "prettier" 20 years ago, with that wrinkle-free face and the good head of hair (am bald today and shave my head). But did it get me laid? Fuck no! I was so ultra AFC it´s beyond comprehension... That I´m doing more then well today cannot be credited to my still good looks, but only to my confidence, knowledge and acceptance of who I am.
Looking good does help open certain doors, but no more. Once the doors have opened you have to walk the walk, and if you don´t know how to put one foot in front of the other you´ll stumble right there. Looks have nothing to do with that.

I'm in the same boat! My sister explained to me since I go to the gym on a regular basis and I'm 5'11 210 pounds and under 10% body fat and know how to dress that I'm what girls are attracted to but don't go for. She said the first thing that comes to their mind is jursy shore tool or arrogent or I'm going to be most likely a cheater. And avarage guys are just safer. I can create massive attraction but they eventually go cold but still act interested but its almost like their coldness is from discouragement... liking something that you don't think you can get..

Use direct game. Be openly confident. "act" good looking, don't just look it.

My heart goes out to all you handsome guys. It must be tough being beautiful.

If you're not getting the girls you should be pulling with your looks, it means you don't have a personality to match the look. A beta in the body of an alpha won't go far, and same for vice versa.

Also, if your sister says you come off as a jersey shore douchebro, it means you are definitely NOT dressing right. Use more class and modesty with your clothes. Wear normal fitting t-shirts with regular sleeve lengths. Hell, wear polos. Anything that's not a cutoff tank top that leaves half of your body exposed. When a hot girl walks around in a bikini everywhere, men don't exactly court her for marriage either. Sure they might like it, but someone who's always advertising their body is generally an undesirable partner. I'm 6'2" 210 lbs, and I'm around 7% BF (i have pictures to prove it (no homo). PM me if you don't believe me). I also don't flaunt it in public. Put on a shirt for a change, and leave the wife beater at home. A girl won't write you off as a jersey shore bro if she can't see your armpits. The jersey shore look is not something you just get out of bed with. Its something you have to spend countless hours working on (especially the hair and tan). Having the body a girl wants is a plus, but when she sees just how well built you are, she is going to wonder if you do anything besides going to the gym. Most guys with perfectly sculpted bodies don't really do anything else, besides working out and dieting. Show that you can be refined, intelligent, and cultured, not just a beefcake.

I cannot believe you are posting pictures of yourself to a message board full of guys asking if you're good looking (i remember the last pic cropping up on one of your countless threads about yourself)... I won't comment on your looks.
As for the other guys, they look like run of the mill bros/tools. If you want an example of what all women want, look no further than Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt in fight club), or Matt Damon in the Bourne series. The James bonds are also generally picked to be maximally appealing to women. They all have mature, masculine, and symmetric faces, but what makes them so appealing to women is the characters they play, not just the look. They are the ultimate alpha males. Their look is just icing on the cake.

Generally speaking women will be more forgiving towards good looking guys such as giving them less shit tests, initially forgiving them for coming across as needy, or awkward, offer him a way out of he did something embarrassing, etc..

Daniel Craig is someone I think a lot of people can take encouragement/motivation from. I don't think he's all that attractive in terms of his face. He's got a bit of a hard man brooding type look, but compared to other movie stars he's not got the sort of pretty boy face that many actors have got. Yet women swoon over him for other reasons; his great body, his personality (he comes across a bit like James Bond even when out of character - exudes masculinity but retains a bit of English gentlemanly charm and sophistication as well) and of course being a very rich movie star has its perks. Body and personality are his main attractions, things which any man can work on and improve.

As for the general question, pick up is about making the most of the tools you've got. For most of us average looking guys, we have to have great personalities/"game" as they are our main tool for pick up. However, if you're super rich or super good looking, they're just another tool, and probably more instantly effective than game. A good looking man gets instant recognition from girls, whereas an average looking man may have to show other aspects of him before he gets that recognition. Of course a good looking man may get the instant recognition and then fuck it up when the girl realises he's a wet blanket with no personality and no "game". Ultimately, everyone has different tools, we need to be as well rounded as possible - and looks are about the one thing we can't do anything about. So don't worry about them, use their advantages if you're attractive, but whether you're attractive or not get your game solid and the rest will come. It just might come slightly quicker if you look like Brad Pitt.

Yeah, I already said that on the first page of the topic. You really need to start coming up with your own ideas, this the 2nd time you've copied my post. You do have the option to quote the post you agree with you know.

Watch because they can think you're some player too. Go direct and make her laugh. The attraction will be there.

What if a girls say you're cute ?

I try to get feedback from my sisters and girlfriends about hairstyle, how to dress.

I'm 22, almost 6'3" , 190 pounds with 15% Body fat (got down from 250 pounds).
I've taken some voice modulation classes too. I keep a stubble beard all the time.

But now matter how much I try, they consider me good looking but say that I've got a kid like face and
give an impression of a cute next door kinda guy.

zmb, you are such a piece of shit that you have to find every little excuse to insult me, you don't belong here and you are a major troll

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@ Paramount. I'll say it again - Your Argument was lame.

You didn't go to Sweden because of your skin color. Get a life bro