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I took all your advice. With the help of a friend and a bit too much alcohol I went way beyond my comfort level tonight. Some (very) minor successes. One missed opportunity. Many flat-out rejections. Not even a single success at significant escalation.
Tell us more about that night, how did you go out of your comfort zone? What were your successes? what were your rejections?

As for alcohol. I've found you have to be very mathematical about it, You have to find the exact right amount that will make you loosen up but will not make you do stupid things. Mine is about 5 pints. What you should do is drink your perfect amount slowly and mostly before you go out, then top it up again after an hour or two.

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Tell us more about that night, how did you go out of your comfort zone? What were your successes? what were your rejections?

As for alcohol. I've found you have to be very mathematical about it, You have to find the exact right amount that will make you loosen up but will not make you do stupid things. Mine is about 5 pints. What you should do is drink your perfect amount slowly and mostly before you go out, then top it up again after an hour or two.
Sorry this is a bit disjointed. I didn't want to describe the night at all. But having asked for help I'm going to try not to walk away when it is offered.

A girl at the hostel I'm at convinced me to join her at a local bar/club. An environment I don't typically enjoy; packed tight with people and music so loud I could barely hear myself think. But a combination of alcohol and being determined to make progress can change a lot. I managed to actually enjoy it most of the time I was there (but had to escape a few times) and even dragged myself onto the dance floor in my own incompetent way (again thanks to the alcohol, but at least I didn't care what I was doing out there). It was fun at times. Pure drunken sexual driven drive, no connection, no thought, not a care in the world at what happened. Firm rejections all around. Except for right at the beginning. The girl that got me over there I realize looking back I maybe was actually making good progress with her. Failed to realize what was happening until way too late, didn't push forward sufficiently, and she moved on long before I realized the situation. That, of course, drove the rest of the night downhill because I just didn't care anymore.

Not even a single incident I could call a successful pickup. A few things that seem rather embarrassing in retrospect. Yet overall a success in spite of that. Did things I never would have before. Got at least some brief positive responses. I dislike using alcohol like that and I'm a long way from enjoying that type of environment without it, but if its what is needed to make progress perhaps it is worth doing from time to time. I'm not certain I have a balance point in the alcohol like you describe, but with time I can achieve it then eliminate the need entirely.

Thought of the day: Inner game cannot be completely nailed down without at least some work on outer game at the same time.

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Ah, I see your mistake. You went to a club. One of my rules is NEVER go to a club, you can't talk or charm and you end up just getting your drinks knocked when you try to walk around. If I'm in a club for longer than a few minutes I always feel like twisting some guy's head off with my bare hands. Of course some guys on this forum will do better in clubs it's all about taste and style. But from your earlier post I gather that you are more like me. You like to talk and develop a connection, this is very good and beyond most guys. The trick is to link that in with physical stuff, depending on your body type you'll have to go about that in different ways. But it will all come with experience. My point is that you did not play to your strengths and that was a mistake.

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The girl that got me over there I realize looking back I maybe was actually making good progress with her. Failed to realize what was happening until way too late, didn't push forward sufficiently, and she moved on long before I realized the situation. That, of course, drove the rest of the night downhill because I just didn't care anymore.

You fixated, it's a mistake I make all the time. I'm guessing you like this girl, you have a crush. These things will ruin your fucking life, CRUSH THE CRUSH. Worse still once you failed with her you let it ruin your whole night, you let it get you down. You can't hinge your whole night on a single girl, spread out take it easy. Try it with every girl you find attractive. If you are only successful 10% of the time talk to 10 girls, 1% of the time 100 girls, 0.1% then 1000 girls! etc. etc. Think of it that way and you can't fail.

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Thought of the day: Inner game cannot be completely nailed down without at least some work on outer game at the same time.
Outer game is immaterial, it all depends on your inner game. You see outer game depends entirely on inner game, and will come naturally if you master your inner game. The opposite however is not true. Just remember this, we are what we think, With our thoughts we make the world.

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"I did some things that were embarrassing in retrospect"
Perfect, you don't get a girl by being shy, I usually feel embarrassed for gaming a girl in public but somehow never show it on the outside and that makes me look confident
I aske you to think what you wanted because your intentions weren't clear to them, and I wanted to make sure they were to you
If you want a FB, use major kino and some game and take her home fast, if you want a 1 night stand get her drunk, if you want a girlfriend get her number and do some kino, if you want a wife get her number and take her to dinner
See how you have o change your interaction? (that's a very basic guide btw) a whole lot depends on what you want and you can't start doing heavy kino, take her back to your place, then ask for her number and leave- shell be confused as fuck and probly leave you

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Ah, I see your mistake. You went to a club. One of my rules is NEVER go to a club, you can't talk or charm and you end up just getting your drinks knocked when you try to walk around. If I'm in a club for longer than a few minutes I always feel like twisting some guy's head off with my bare hands. Of course some guys on this forum will do better in clubs it's all about taste and style. But from your earlier post I gather that you are more like me. You like to talk and develop a connection, this is very good and beyond most guys. The trick is to link that in with physical stuff, depending on your body type you'll have to go about that in different ways. But it will all come with experience. My point is that you did not play to your strengths and that was a mistake.
First off I should note that it isn't a club like you would find in the USA. Here in Bolivia it is a restaurant, bar, and club-like area all mixed together with just about any environment you could ask for. I'm also guessing the attitude is a lot different than normal because most everyone there is traveling through South America with very few locals. But I really don't have anything to compare it to.

Now, I might be wrong here but I don't think picking the club environment was a mistake last night even though it played to all my weaknesses at the same time. Think of it as a risk/reward thing. I know how to go down the slow, steady, safe path. Its what I've done with almost everything in my life. Not much risk on that path and the rewards are correspondingly slow to be handed out. Far less often I've gone off the deep end of the risk/reward path (though admittedly in my own controlled way usually). Its not easy, but the rewards can be enormous.

What I'm coming to realize, partly with the help of this thread, is that I've been conditioned in some bad ways and its giving me problems. Especially when it comes to anything physical. I've so far been taking the safe road but I know from experience that this will be a long one. So instead I dove off the deep end last night. I made better progress and learned more than I have in months. A mistake? I don't think so. I'm certain there will be nights that don't go so well if I continue the dive but that is all part of the risk of taking this path.
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You fixated, it's a mistake I make all the time. I'm guessing you like this girl, you have a crush. These things will ruin your fucking life, CRUSH THE CRUSH. Worse still once you failed with her you let it ruin your whole night, you let it get you down.
Some fixation briefly that night yes but no crush. More a realization that I was actually doing something right and never even knew it at the time. And yes I did let it get me down, but that was actually the best thing that happened as it was after that I took the dive off the deep end to see what would happen (and incidentally actually had some fun).
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Thought of the day: Inner game cannot be completely nailed down without at least some work on outer game at the same time.
Outer game is immaterial, it all depends on your inner game. You see outer game depends entirely on inner game, and will come naturally if you master your inner game. The opposite however is not true. Just remember this, we are what we think, With our thoughts we make the world.
I understand what you are saying and agree that inner game drives outer game. Yet it is not something that occurs in isolation. If you're not out there interacting with women while working on inner game there will be a hole. It would be like learning to play the violin without ever picking up the actual instrument. I know from experience an amazing amount of learning an instrument can be done in your head but at some point there needs to be physical interaction with the instrument. That interaction with the instrument feeds back to the internal process (inner game) which drives the skill at playing forward even more (outer game).


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"I did some things that were embarrassing in retrospect"
Perfect, you don't get a girl by being shy, I usually feel embarrassed for gaming a girl in public but somehow never show it on the outside and that makes me look confident
I aske you to think what you wanted because your intentions weren't clear to them, and I wanted to make sure they were to you
If you want a FB, use major kino and some game and take her home fast, if you want a 1 night stand get her drunk, if you want a girlfriend get her number and do some kino, if you want a wife get her number and take her to dinner
See how you have o change your interaction? (that's a very basic guide btw) a whole lot depends on what you want and you can't start doing heavy kino, take her back to your place, then ask for her number and leave- shell be confused as fuck and probly leave you
More great advice, thank you charblad! I know my own intent but have not tailored interactions to make it clear. I'll have to think on what this means for how I should be handling interactions. I've probably created several confusing situations....


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Why are you asking advice if you're going to disagree with everything that's said?

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Why are you asking advice if you're going to disagree with everything that's said?
He's looking for somebody to tell him what he wants to hear, that's why. The entire post is moronic, OP included.

I popped back here surprised that the thread is still being bumped, astonished to see the idiocy continue.


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Why are you asking advice if you're going to disagree with everything that's said?
Did I miss something? I have stated repeatedly that I am grateful for the fantastic advice given me in this thread, including yours Beast. Lots of it has even disagreed with what I thought I knew and has forced me to change my thinking radically in a short period of time. Why is it so horrible that I might not find 100% of it useful to me? Especially if I didn't provide sufficient information for you to understand the situation?

If you disagree with any of my conclusions, I would love to hear specifically why. It would help me learn. I'm still hoping for help here, but perhaps I'm in the wrong place so feel free to let this thread die if that is the case.


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yea i got the same problem bro


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