I had been reading pickup techniques, indirect openers and myserty's methods for almost 6 months and achieving almost no results from them. Sure the fact that I knew about this stuff helped me to get rid of some of my AA I was still not very confident and dissapointed in the results. Going out became actual work for me, I did not enjoy it.

Recently I met a friend of a friend who had explored PUA and straight away told me its flaws. It works upon the assumption that women are greater than males, thats why we need DHV's to up ourselves and Negs to decrease her value in order to work on a level playing field. CHANGE THIS VIEW. Take the mindset that you are entitled to any girl, act as if you are equal to every women you see and meet. Simply create a fun interaction for the women to engage in (I was so stuck on "what do I say? I can open but I have nothing to say?!) and i used to stacked boring story after boring story, and in a club/nightgame scene girls want to have FUN not hear about your stories or your 'surveys'.

Last night I only changed one thing: my mindset. And I got immediate results. I spoke to at least 8/10 women in the club, received hugs from many (talk about social value) and hooked up with one girl (hb 8 ). These results may not be very impressive but I have never received such results before, so it was pretty great for me.

Moral of the story:
-Create a fun interaction for the woman (and yourself!)
-Be moderately aggressive in your approach (grab her hand and pull her towards you and put your arm around her) obviously do not hurt the woman. But most women tend to respond to an aggressive male. Or just point to her and say "you come here, we need to hang out" (with a smile).
-Don't get hung up on what you need to talk about, just say anything. Comment on her clothing, comment on her appearance/background. Whatever comes to your mind say it. Remember don't focus on getting the girl or you will be stuck on what to say, focus on having a good time (you never run out of things to say when you're with your friends do you?).
-No girl is above you. You are entitled to ANY woman you see.
-You wont make 100% of the shots you take. Even if you get rejected, ignored or a neggative response remember to BOUNCE BACK. Do not let anything effect you. This is fundamental.
-The title of this post is somewhat untrue since conventional pickup has some positive aspects such as "role playing" and "time constraints" and "bouncing". Just forget anything that yourself feels is un-natural. I feel as if indirect openers that use a random question or story is a bit un-natural and so generally I was uncomfortable saying them.

I hope some of you find this useful and put it into practice. I know all aspects may not be covered well, so please ask any questions you may have. I am no master PUA by a long shot, but I feel the coaching session which I had completely changed my perspective on PUA and i remembered this forum and decided to help out some people who may be in the same situation as me. If any of you implement this please reply back to this thread and tell me how it went.

Peace out.

I just started to learn PUA and I dont think it says that "women are better than men and thats the reason for DHV.."

Conventional PUA methods work upon the assumption that the women does not have interest in the man and that we need to prove ourselves through DHV stories/high social value. If it didn't use this assumption what is the purpose of a neg?

For someone starting out with PUA I suggest you read more into Tony Robbins and other speakers who make you feel more powerful internally. By all means, read Mystery Method and implement useful things such as time constraints, role playing, bouncing and location changes. But as for the other stuff within his book you will eventually field test it and find out that it is not as effective as they make it sound.

This isn't true. Just like some beast with the face of a smashed crab isn't entitled to any man she wants.

What PUA methods get right is we choose partners based on perceived value.

MM etc are techniques to magnify or fake your level of value

You are saying think you are higher value than you are. Although the confidence will help, you'll still look like an idiot but you are getting towards an important point...

The best way to PU is just BE high value. If you're a good looking, millionaire that has an interesting life and whatever other values they are looking for. You won't need to use any PU techniques, just be available and you're done.

I respect your perspective and you are correct in many respects but what i'm trying to get at is to not rule yourself out just because you may not be the best looking guy in the world with lots of money. You never know which type of woman would find you interesting or cool. DHV's can be effective at times, but if you are focusing on the nightclub scene women between the ages of 18-23 do not care about that sort of stuff.

My coach said most girls are more attracted to the appeal of a fun time. I have tried both methods. I have tried dressing in a nice coat with leather shoes and appear like a rich man with an interesting story. This got me no where. I have also tried dressing in a t-shirt and jeans and just been a fun guy and have gotten WAY further.

Especially in a loud, fast paced moving environment like the club women usually cant process a whole DHV let alone a stack. They end up getting bored and moving on. DHV stories can be useful if you have the woman fully engaged and on a couch in a quiter place, but thats about it.

I teach and use what your talking about and have for a while
It's not a surprise women want fun, I encourage it when I can
It's not about how hot you are or the woman, YOU are always the prize, she's trying to earn you and you're just giving her a fair chance to to it
You are not entitled to any woman you see, but you can sure as hell try why not?

(and personally I don't approve of peacocking)
But either way this is what I teach about pick up, your not some revolutionary thinker you've just stated another popular way of doing things

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