Ok my neighbor is a model she is the same age as me(17) and her and I are very good friends. Every guy wants her but she wont just go with any guy though. We use to have a thing for each other but then it just ended like we stopped talking to each other. So now she has this boyfriend that she is gonna break up with. I was just at her house her and I were just hanging out talking about life. She asked me to give her a massage so I did. And then nothing happens there. So I told her I had to go. So she walked me to the door. And she went in for the kiss and I said "I can't,you have a boyfriend" and then I just kissed her on the neck and then I kissed her on the forehead and said "good night".

Was that good for me not to make out with her? because I wouldn't want a guy to kiss my girl friend. Do I have respect for doing that? do you think now she will think i'm a even better man for not doing that? It was so hard not to kiss such a good looking girl. somebody help. I know somebody was in this sort of situation before

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you now have her respect for being an even bigger dumbass. what were you thinking? ok, you're 17 so you get a pass and i'm feeling nice today so i'll help you out. let me tell you the most important thing you should know about attractive women:

1. they are NEVER single. EVER
2. they are ALWAYS looking for someone BETTER. ALWAYS.

what you did? you passed up on the chance for her to break up with her boyfriend for you. good job!

now, here's what NOT to do now:

1. come across all needy and trying to kiss her the next chance you get to see her

here's what you could do:

1. act like she's the one trying to seduce you. tease her about it. tell her she's a sexual predator (jokingly) and you're scared to be alone in a room with her. tell her she's kinda cool, but you're not convinced yet (don't play too hard to get either, just make it fun and be a challenge).
2. act like you're not that easy and she needs to "win you over" first. get her to qualify herself to you. that way you don't come across as a wuss who got scared but as a high value guy who does'nt just go for it the first chance he gets. you have other options.
3. don't bring it up anymore. just act like nothing happened. BUT, set the tone of your interactions with her to be sexual. remember, she needs to win you over (indirectly make her proove to you that she has more going for her than her looks). you're NOT HER FRIEND! i repeat, YOU'RE NOT HER FRIEND! MAKE SURE SHE GET'S IT! ALL OR NOTHING. she'll probably be scared to loose you all together and even if she wrote you off sort of already, it might promt her to give it another shot, and you have a second chance to get it right.
4. don't be boring! do fun stuff with her. make her experience positive emotions with you. give her an emotional roller coaster ride. do stuff with her she's never done before. and KEEP IT SEXUAL or you'll be friendzoned again.

NOTE: YOU COULD ALREADY BE FRIENDZONED AGAIN. THIS MAY ALL NOT WORK. WOMEN GO THROUGH DIFFERENT EMOTIONAL STATES ALL THE TIME. SHE MAY HAVE BEEN READY TO KISS YOU OR EVEN HAVE SEX WITH YOU YESTERDAY (and if it were so, it would probably not have changed by today if you did everything right), BUT TODAY SHE ALREADY DECIDED YOU ARE JUST A FRIEND. TELL HER, "I'M NOT YOUR FRIEND, SEE YA" AND START LEAVING. AT LEAST, YOU WILL HAVE HER RESPECT FOR NOT BEING AN ORBITER. YOU WILL NOT NECESSARILY CONTINUE WHERE YOU LEFT OFF YESTERDAY, IN FACT YOU PROBABLY WON'T. THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN.

Zepter his behavior and self control showed confidence. He also denied her. Both are signs of a high value male. How often do you think a woman like that gets told no?

I've done this several times to women just because he said no doesn't mean he is out. He DQ'd her, when you say no you hold the power. He showed he cared less than her with his behavior.

I personally like the kiss on the neck and forehead. If his behavior is congruent with everything he did fine. Do you think she is sitting there thinking what an asshole he said no? Or do you think she is thinking, I can't believe he said no, no one says no to me. Just because I have a boyfriend, what's wrong with me. I'm a model he should have done it anyways. She is a model (hell a woman) so she likely got insecure over the rejection.

I say you did fine. I also say just build sexual tension, make her want to break up with her boyfriend by wanting you so much.

No behavior is completely laughable in courtship, every peace of advice has worked somewhere and failed somewhere else. If he was confident in denying her and kept good posture I would say he won this interaction and she is thinking all about him.

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@poeticlyskuac

i know where you're coming from and i don't necessarily disagree.

based on personal experience (i've dated many models), they don't tend to get all worked up about rejection (they are confident, meaning they don't give a shit), but they don't stick around and wait. they move on to the next best guy.

and she's 17.

he dq'd her, but not because he was being a challenge.

theoretically, he may have done the right thing. practically, i say, if a girl is willing and ready the games need to stop and the fucking must begin.

no one is right or wrong here. people are different. time will tell how this plays out. if he does everything right, he can still take advantage of the situation. but she had already put him in the friendzone before.

and yes, a rejection can spark a lot of attraction.

however, i assume the attraction was already present if she was the one making the advance, not him. this can turn against you if you reject a direct advance like that. it takes a lot of courage for a woman to make the first step.

That helps me a lot guys thanks. I hung out with her all day today but she is always looking for guys when we hung out today. She would be say something like that guys is cute I should go get his number. So should I just talk about girls in front of her?

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no, you should'nt. what you should do is ESCALATE! her talking about guys in front of you is her signaling to you she IS STILL AVAILABLE and looking to HOOK UP. don't be a chode dude, wtf? have you not been reading the comments?

on second thought, just give her my number.

Ok thank you guys. She is just the biggest tease. lol

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I haven't kissed her sense I posted this thread and I've been hanging out with her sense. Her and I just back from the gym about 1 hour go. Because she doesn't seem like she wants anything more then friends now......

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STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR NOT FUCKING HER AND FUCK HER!!!! Or I can guarantee you someone like me will!

You've been "hanging with her" since your first post, when she tried to kiss you, and you rejected her. Then she was openly looking for other men (as I have warned you), and you did not take the hint. And now you're telling me you have had no action since then?

Have you been reading the comments? In a nutshell, you're acting needy by orbiting her. I tiold you not to go in for a kiss immediately but man, ESCALATE!!! If you did not kill all the attraction yet, you will if you continue this!

"I think she does not...." What are you stoned???! Find out! Nothing personal man, but you're not 12! You have nothing to lose but the friend zone. Create sexual tension, touch her, massage her, make her WET! Wtf are you doing? There's a forum full of knowlege here on how to get her into your bed and "you don't think she wants to be...." Show her what she wants to be!!!! She sure as hell won't figure it out for herself, that I can guarantee!!!!![/b]

@zepter

Thank you for your help. I fucked her today =]

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YEAH! I'd high five your ass right now if you were here.

When I girl who tried to kiss you yesterday, starts showing you the cute guys "I should get his #" and stuff like that it is an attempt to get your opinion (Shit Test) check for jealousy/Beta.

I'm not sure I beleive that you actually did Fuck her, I honestly think you just said you did because you wanted Zepter to stop giving you the "Tough Love" he was giving!

Dude, I was you!!! I was BFF with one of the hottest girls in my HS many years ago, I protected her to the point of hospitalizing a couple of guys who thought they could "hit" her, and although I had a decent GF in HS I never got this girl. Not because she was not interested, but because I never made any sort of move on her! Fast-Forward 20 years, she finds me on FB and then PM me "Hey You!", I was married so I did not reply for about 2 months. I responded back and that is when she told me "I had a major crush on you in HS" and "Why didn't you like me?"

A few months later my wife and I split (unrelated) and I showed up at her work to say "howdy", the next morning she came to the motel I was staying in and we had sex nine times all day until she worked again that night! My point is: DONT BE ME, GET THIS GIRL NOW! She wants you!!!


Peace...

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hahaha! how did you know? actually, i go "I'M BOBBY BROWN BITCH!" then i beat the shit out of her.