would you holler at yourself?

No. There are a host of issues which prevent, if I was a girl, from hollering at me. I think I would give me more of a chance though.

Just keep reading on this forum as there are hidden gems everywhere.

From experience of having had a horribly abusive marriage that was depressing to say the least I do understand where you are coming from.

All I can advise doing is what I am trying to do right now which is to become more Alpha on a day by day basis.

Seems like the feelings of depression lift so easily after the HB's start to chase US!

Best of luck.

Did they actually start chasing you? Did these things work and help you be successful with women?

Well to be honest I have had more social interaction with women since starting to learn this stuff.

Being in Alpha state all the time is something I am aiming for.

The teasing, negs and push pull all really work well.

Try looking through this forum and also watching some of the style and mystery videos.

Yes, they will chase you. But don't let that be the goal. Start fucking them - that's the goal!

You're changing who YOU are.

I deal with ME & EE's on a daily basis - the introverted engineer isn't a cliche', it's a reality by and large. But, so what? There's nothing that says you HAVE to be.

Once you've started the process - there is hope. Thing is - you have to be OPEN and willing to put in the work. Test theories you don't understand, delve in to the concepts of WHY something is being said rather than what is actually being heard.

You can read success stories of men here who have grown from total AFC - to being able to not only approach, but meet and fuck women consistently.

My suggestion is to find 2-3 people whose opinions you value/trust - and forge a friendship/mentorship. You can find that here in a (mostly) unbiased role. Never allow anoyone to charge you for advice; you can get it for free. Just read the words of the various people and find the ones that mirror what you want your game to look like.

Welcome.

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

besides ur mindset what are they

dont be desberate just be confident and believe in yourself.

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I live to learn.

I can think of quite a few. These are not unchangeable, but these are the things that I think, up to this point, have prevented me to being successful in this area of my life.

Overweight/Not fit
Poor grooming
Lazily put together clothing style
Lack of social presence & skills (this is too in depth to write about quickly)
Appearing too eager
A consistently depressed countenance
Poor body posture
Body language consistent with someone without direction or a "loser"

Those are the palpable things I can perceive. It seems women in general get a sense that I am not worth much in general as they frequently ignore me or show signs of being quite indifferent to me. Sometimes it feels like they view me as having something wrong with me and someone they ought to stay away from. I don't know if that is due to the above or something more subtle or subconscious. Not being a woman I can not speak for that.

The list has what I see which could hold be back outside of confidence, mindset and the like.

OK at least now you have a list of things you will change.

For me it was always wanting to please them too much and be a gentleman etc.

Calling, texting, dinners, gifts - FUCK THAT!

Got me nowhere but unhappy.

I am becoming more Alpha each day but it takes time.

There are some great guys on here to help.

I'm not sure being alpha is really my goal. A lot of it seems either petty or immoral. A lor of it seems to go against who I am. For example, I've read countless times about how it is important to talk slowly or to not be fidgety but that is pretty opposite to me. I am the most animated person I know and I like to talk fast because I have a lot of ideas and things to say that I am excited to share.

Other parts of being alpha seem to be phony like the specific reactions to things which seem to suck the fun of living in the moment. Others still seem like psychological tricks like not caring if you get rejected. Well, not caring if you get rejected just makes rejection easier not necessarily causing more success with women though.

And it all seems to fall under a certain submission to the nature of women. A way of acting to get women rather than acting how you want. It seems like a bigger prison than being beta is.

Utter and complete horseshit.

I've been Alpha my whole life.

It's not a game, it's who I am -- and I still don't give a fuck if I'm rejected by a woman. It's better to know quickly. Then she's not wasting my time and I can move to the next woman.

Know what you're talking about before making such assumptions.

Thanks.


RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Were you also a rude, vulgar, hypocritical, dunce all your life?

Nothing you said has anything to do with what I have said. I am relaying my experiences and inferences from them; You are projecting your own assumptive mentality into to me. If you actually read and understood my post you would see I was talking about my personal experience and interpretation.

I agree with RR here but maybe I would have put it differently:)

He lives his life and fucks women and they LOVE it. It's their choice. There is no manipulation at all. Fuck that stupid Mel Gibson movie. A real man is what ALL women really want.

Being Alpha is a goal we must achieve not only for us but in order to please the women and all Alpha males love women. they want to please us and be near to us.

They must learn to please us and we in return shall please them just by being Alpha.

Look at the divorce and split up rate these days. It's a joke and I blame it on Men for we are not aware of what women want and need.

I am talking in general terms here and expressed as a % while only my opinion is that for every 1 Alpha Male there are perhaps 500 betas or even more which is a disgrace.

You don't need to be alpha. You just need to be confident. How you become confident with women? By aproaching and pushing your comfort limits. Thus, not caring of the rejection cause more success with women.

You have a lot of info now. Don't read all of it. Read some and go out as much as possible.

Let us know how it goes, good luck!