Just wanted to know how you guys handle HBs who have boyfriends, more especifcally ones that you already have some sort of contact with (in social circle) but whose boyfriend you do not know personally.
Do you prefer to pursue harder?
With the (little) experience that I have gaming HBs who are in serious relationships, she will not give in at all (ie: initiate conversations, text etc.)
unless she is in the brink of ending the relationship or is a complete slut who cheats on her bf all the time...


PS: You can spare me the moral talk of doing this, I know very well that there are risks involved

OK, no moral talk, just the "how to"
First of all, keep the interaction private, no flirting or kino in front of common friends, no invitations to gatherings where friends/acquaintances may see the two of you. Be discreet, don't brag about seducing her to your friends, for the sake of both parties...
Steer the conversation away from her relationship, as a matter of fact, don't let her bring him into the conversation at all. Don't let her rationalize what's happening, as it may be the end of it all when she realizes she's about to cheat on her boyfriend. Be the opposite of what her boyfriend is like, if he's into football and beer, you take her to see a foreign film...
Be decisive, it's now or never, don't wait for the right moment, you have nothing to lose even if she says NO.
Don't let her guilt trip you or herself, chalk it up to "The incredible attraction we have going", she'll feel like less of a "slut"...
Don't leave traces, like e-mails, Facebook comments and long horny text messages on her cell...
Hope it helps... Have fun!

Good advice Redlight..
There is this one girl I'm trying to game who has a bf and she rarely mentions him in our conversations.
Whenever we're together, there is really strong eye contact, and some kino...

I saw her with him last week but they weren't physically close enough to be seen as a couple (no hand holding, etc.) at the time that I saw. I know it was her boyfriend cause we have a mutual friend and had seen a picture of him. The next day I asked her what she was up to the day that I saw her, she didn't even mention the guy she was with is her bf, and then quickly changed the subject.

The problem is everytime I try to set up some kind of a date/social gathering she flakes at the last minute, probably guilt of cheating...

Or isn't that interested in you. The primary reason girls flake is because of lack of interest. Saying that I can't say this girl has guilt about cheating on her boyfriend verses her not that interested in you to her just being nice (ie friend zone). If you want this go to some place go sexual on her and see how she takes it. If she rejects it, as in chances the topic or doesn't get into it with you then she isn't interested.

This means you should just seize the moment, no plans involved... Catch her when she's leaving a party OR take her on a drive someplace OR have her come over to your place for some reason... my plan is that I have no plan

I might be new to the forums, but I'm not completely inexperienced, I know the friend zone when I see it and this isn't it. If she wanted me as a friend she would've used her bf as an excuse a while ago.

Yeah, this is what I'm trying to do at the moment, but I'm not sure she is worth all the trouble, I'm thinking of just letting her go altogether...

Not all girls bring up their bf's when they put you in the friend zone. Have you thought that you may be that friend she like flirting with and won't do anything with? And if she brings up the bf she thinks it may scare you away. Not saying this is the case as I am not there, but saying this does happen.

You have a point, she might just be an attention whore, which has crossed my mind. I'll only know for sure after I escalate, let's see how it goes...