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People seem to have the wrong Idea about smiling.

Smiling is an expression of happiness. Happiness is a positive emotion. Being happy makes other people happy.

People seem to think smiling kills sexual tension. But that is not entirely the case. It is more smiling for no reason. Smiling for no reason is incongruent and a form of validation seeking (Oh I'm soo happy to be around you). Smile when you feel like smiling. Not when you should, just when you feel.

In terms of smiling and not smiling in game, the way 60yoc says it, keep a pokerface.

Pokerface does not mean expressionless. It means to not react to anything she says, not a huge reaction anyway. By that I mean, tells a joke, You laugh because you think its she'll feel bad if you don't. The poker face is the idea that, any expression is validation seeking.

In general, just be congruent with your ACTUAL feelings. If you feel like smiling smile, Don't smile for anyone else's sake


^ good, but in some situations women may associate smiling as try hard..Since many guys that approached with a smile were annoying, chodes, afc etc... So when you open smiling(that may be a negative association with try hard), kind of like let me get you a drink, overcompensating... But i just believe smiling may be about timing issue, when to smile, i would not smile when Initially opening...

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I know Mystery says that smiling is an alpha male trait. But really, smiling only show that you feel comfortable in the environment you are in at the moment and dont have a care in the world. If you can find some other way to show that, you are fine. Oh and it also show that you are non threatening.
Agreed, I was trying to kind of include that thought, whatever falls into your persona. Maintain your behaviors so long as you are comfortable, if you have anxious behaviors a modification is in need. All that matters is you show a lack of stress(stress is a sign of beta).

Smiling helps in situations with shy woman a lot, when you smile they smile back thus adding comfort(forcing a smile makes you comfortable even for the moment). If you are making strong eye contact during day game smiling is definitely your friend. Night game smiling isn't as big an ordeal but if you are gaming women everywhere, smiling should be an asset in your tool cabinet.

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People seem to have the wrong Idea about smiling.

Smiling is an expression of happiness. Happiness is a positive emotion. Being happy makes other people happy.

People seem to think smiling kills sexual tension. But that is not entirely the case. It is more smiling for no reason. Smiling for no reason is incongruent and a form of validation seeking (Oh I'm soo happy to be around you). Smile when you feel like smiling. Not when you should, just when you feel.

In terms of smiling and not smiling in game, the way 60yoc says it, keep a pokerface.

Pokerface does not mean expressionless. It means to not react to anything she says, not a huge reaction anyway. By that I mean, tells a joke, You laugh because you think its she'll feel bad if you don't. The poker face is the idea that, any expression is validation seeking.

In general, just be congruent with your ACTUAL feelings. If you feel like smiling smile, Don't smile for anyone else's sake


^ good, but in some situations women may associate smiling as try hard..Since many guys that approached with a smile were annoying, chodes, afc etc... So when you open smiling(that may be a negative association with try hard), kind of like let me get you a drink, overcompensating... But i just believe smiling may be about timing issue, when to smile, i would not smile when Initially opening...
That's what I meant about Incongruent. If your smiling to validate her you are obviously not smiling because you want to. Your being a little bitch if your smiling in hopes of her liking you.

And for smiling your definitely right, Why would you smile for no reason on the approach? I like how Gunwitch put it as his approach. Smile as a reward when you introduce yourself.

Ie. Ask her name, You respond with a smile and your name.


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People seem to have the wrong Idea about smiling.

Smiling is an expression of happiness. Happiness is a positive emotion. Being happy makes other people happy.

People seem to think smiling kills sexual tension. But that is not entirely the case. It is more smiling for no reason. Smiling for no reason is incongruent and a form of validation seeking (Oh I'm soo happy to be around you). Smile when you feel like smiling. Not when you should, just when you feel.

In terms of smiling and not smiling in game, the way 60yoc says it, keep a pokerface.

Pokerface does not mean expressionless. It means to not react to anything she says, not a huge reaction anyway. By that I mean, tells a joke, You laugh because you think its she'll feel bad if you don't. The poker face is the idea that, any expression is validation seeking.

In general, just be congruent with your ACTUAL feelings. If you feel like smiling smile, Don't smile for anyone else's sake


^ good, but in some situations women may associate smiling as try hard..Since many guys that approached with a smile were annoying, chodes, afc etc... So when you open smiling(that may be a negative association with try hard), kind of like let me get you a drink, overcompensating... But i just believe smiling may be about timing issue, when to smile, i would not smile when Initially opening...
That's what I meant about Incongruent. If your smiling to validate her you are obviously not smiling because you want to. Your being a little bitch if your smiling in hopes of her liking you.

And for smiling your definitely right, Why would you smile for no reason on the approach? I like how Gunwitch put it as his approach. Smile as a reward when you introduce yourself.

Ie. Ask her name, You respond with a smile and your name.
I'm probably the only guy here that smiles ALL THE TIME. Yes I believe in smiling to smile, smiling makes you comfortable, keep in mind I don't believe in giving a fake bull shit tight lip smile. I give the full smile, slightly open mouth smile with your eyes smiling.
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In general, just be congruent with your ACTUAL feelings. If you feel like smiling smile, Don't smile for anyone else's sake
Smiling makes you feel good, I smile because I like to feel good. You don't smile for her, you smile for yourself. Smiling and laughing are both a part of my charisma, ask anyone who knows me.

When I switch to tension building I have to consciously quit smiling. Though I've found ways to make a smile work during tension building, it's more related to distance, facing her, and strong eye contact. With the exception of some teasing smiles (more like smirks). Yes it is a conscious issue.

Smiling is to me a huge part of alpha, not smiling shows discomfort or a beta behavior. Smiling makes you look comfortable, it shouldn't be a forced smile but a comfortable smile. A comfortable smile(you are comfortable giving it), gives everyone around permission to be comfortable and feel good(yes permission to smile is permission to feel good).

I love being the guy people love to see, people love seeing the smiling guy who gives them permission to smile thus making themselves feel good. I have been approached by at least a dozen people who told me I make them feel good. Other people told me they loved coming to my work to see someone who makes them feel good on a bad day. I'm that guy that Moms love to introduce their daughter to. I'm also that guy that admits I like sex in a PG way to Moms, so they realize the truth. Smiling and laughing are the biggest weapons in my arsenal on building attraction. I highly recommend it as I do consider it alpha but if you can't give a real smile it's better not to give one, it will look incongruent and definitely look like you are trying to hard.

lolaskate was spot on with his post. You can smile during tension building but it is when you are teasing her, acting like you'll kiss her when you won't. Things like that, a smirk works as well(better for most).

Just how I feel about smiling off my studies, experiences, and observations. Almost looks like he's read a lot of my stuff.

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^ good, but in some situations women may associate smiling as try hard..Since many guys that approached with a smile were annoying, chodes, afc etc... So when you open smiling(that may be a negative association with try hard), kind of like let me get you a drink, overcompensating... But i just believe smiling may be about timing issue, when to smile, i would not smile when Initially opening...
That's what I meant about Incongruent. If your smiling to validate her you are obviously not smiling because you want to. Your being a little bitch if your smiling in hopes of her liking you.

And for smiling your definitely right, Why would you smile for no reason on the approach? I like how Gunwitch put it as his approach. Smile as a reward when you introduce yourself.

Ie. Ask her name, You respond with a smile and your name.
I'm probably the only guy here that smiles ALL THE TIME. Yes I believe in smiling to smile, smiling makes you comfortable, keep in mind I don't believe in giving a fake bull shit tight lip smile. I give the full smile, slightly open mouth smile with your eyes smiling.
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In general, just be congruent with your ACTUAL feelings. If you feel like smiling smile, Don't smile for anyone else's sake
Smiling makes you feel good, I smile because I like to feel good. You don't smile for her, you smile for yourself. Smiling and laughing are both a part of my charisma, ask anyone who knows me.

When I switch to tension building I have to consciously quit smiling. Though I've found ways to make a smile work during tension building, it's more related to distance, facing her, and strong eye contact. With the exception of some teasing smiles (more like smirks). Yes it is a conscious issue.

Smiling is to me a huge part of alpha, not smiling shows discomfort or a beta behavior. Smiling makes you look comfortable, it shouldn't be a forced smile but a comfortable smile. A comfortable smile(you are comfortable giving it), gives everyone around permission to be comfortable and feel good(yes permission to smile is permission to feel good).

I love being the guy people love to see, people love seeing the smiling guy who gives them permission to smile thus making themselves feel good. I have been approached by at least a dozen people who told me I make them feel good. Other people told me they loved coming to my work to see someone who makes them feel good on a bad day. I'm that guy that Moms love to introduce their daughter to. I'm also that guy that admits I like sex in a PG way to Moms, so they realize the truth. Smiling and laughing are the biggest weapons in my arsenal on building attraction. I highly recommend it as I do consider it alpha but if you can't give a real smile it's better not to give one, it will look incongruent and definitely look like you are trying to hard.

lolaskate was spot on with his post. You can smile during tension building but it is when you are teasing her, acting like you'll kiss her when you won't. Things like that, a smirk works as well(better for most).

Just how I feel about smiling off my studies, experiences, and observations. Almost looks like he's read a lot of my stuff.
I get what you mean by the smiling makes you feel happy, also makes people around you happy and all. But it's like how you mention bullshit tight lips, lol, having a bullshit smile that doesn't go away, is just as bad (in my opinion).

Smiling is definitely a good thing, it's just I don't like how people are saying it is ALPHA, make it seem like if you momentarily don't smile you are DLVing or wtv. A huge part of game (in my opinion) is learning to be self expressive and all these rules telling you do this, do that just get to me sometimes. ie. Not smiling = DLV. Lol.

I credit a huge portion to my understandings of body language, and game to reading your blog and threads. I am a big fan of you lol.


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I get what you mean by the smiling makes you feel happy, also makes people around you happy and all. But it's like how you mention bullshit tight lips, lol, having a bullshit smile that doesn't go away, is just as bad (in my opinion).

Smiling is definitely a good thing, it's just I don't like how people are saying it is ALPHA, make it seem like if you momentarily don't smile you are DLVing or wtv. A huge part of game (in my opinion) is learning to be self expressive and all these rules telling you do this, do that just get to me sometimes. ie. Not smiling = DLV. Lol.

I credit a huge portion to my understandings of body language, and game to reading your blog and threads. I am a big fan of you lol.


Well most people shouldn't be smiling all the time, I just don't appreciate how a lot of folks say to avoid smiling. It's not as if everyone can smile all the time. For me smiling all the time is congruent with my personality and charisma, that doesn't mean it is for everyone. I just think some guys who come on and are like me get told to not smile they can actually hurt their own game by being incongruent thus looking beta. If you are smiler you are fine just do it for yourself, not some cheesy tight lip smile.

Smiling is alpha but just like anything too much takes away. Over smiling is beta, but smiling at the same rate of your personality is good. And you seen my process of how once sexual tension starts smiling should be limited or avoided but I still use it here and there.

Thank you so much for the love. I didn't think that many folks from the forum read that but I'm noticing more and more people have learned somethings from me. I'm glad so many people have gained so much from it, makes it more worth it. If you got any question just ask, you know me.

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