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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:49 pm 
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Rather than comparing the success rate of the methods, may I suggest a SATISFACTION rate instead. How well each team is satisfied with their own method, because I think this is what really matters. You're basically as happy with your life as satisfied you are with it. And I believe that we wouldn't really find statistically significant difference here, so even if I know it won't happen, I kindly ask everyone to stop this completely pointless argument
Canot say it better then this! + 1!

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FOOLISH, DELUSIONAL, NO MAN CAN GET 85% OF WOMEN HE APPROACHES........blah blah blah. REJECTION IS A PART OF PICK UP, DON'T BE AFRAID OF IT< EMBRACE IT! blah blah blah.

This is all the mentality of the pick up monkey, not that of the pick up artist. 85% is more then possible. If you are above average looking and are an artist rather then a pick up monkey. If you are going into an approach with the mind set that it's ok to get rejected, i'll just go up to 10 other girls, eventually one will give in, and even if there isn't one, hey at least I am learning something.

What are you learning, how to get rejected, what type of women will typically reject you? Play the numbers game and yes, you may get laid. Get used to rejection and yes it will not be so bad when it happens. Accept it as a certainty in the art of seduction, and you will NEVER become a true pick up artist.

If you are approaching random women without any reads, or without creating attraction and without having created the image of being a desirable man, then yes, 85% will be impossible.

Seduction is not about approaching random women and attempting to talk their panties off. I't can be a form of it, but this is a recipe to failure. You don't know if the girl is even attracted to you, you don't know if she has a boyfriend, a girlfriend, husband, hates men. Doesn't like your style...etc etc.


Women are emotion based, they wear their hearts on their sleeves, if you know the signs, they will basically pick you up. All you have to do is play the game.

Anyways this is something I feel needs to be addressed. I will be writing a well detailed post explaining how 85% and above is more then possible. I will write it within the next few days, I don't have the time at the moment.

I have had that ratio for years, It's not something anyone can do, but it is very very possible, with the right skill set, style, posture, attitude and looks.
Although I fucking hate posting in this clusterfuck of thread , this is how things are :

First of all what is 85% ?

85% of the women you approach you get to fuck ?

Yes , possible , but unlikely unless some of them are giving you overexertions , which to newbies may seem as cold approaching.

GoodLookingLoser approached 102 women and kept a log and fucked only 16. You can find him on Sleazy's forum.

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TVA claims that he does no more than 4 approaches (nightclub) before pulling a women home.

My magic number is anywhere between 1 and 15.

If I identify DTF women then I am 100% , if not then I get rejected a lot before pulling her out of the club.

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The problem is simple.

UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW TO SPOT OVEREXERTIONS or HORNY WOMEN THEN YOU CAN'T GET 85%.

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Fuck!!

8 pages!

8 pages!!!

Ezo, get @ me. I generate activity. I can do more if the price is right.

Holla at me.

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All this numbers, %, etc... is silly imo... and you guys keeping track of numbers and % another silliness....I mean if you are a newbie, trying to keep track of progress and if a method is working maybe i could see that... I do not know any natural that keep track of numbers, the only number or % we care about is how many dudes per girl there are... I just love this forum keeps getting better and better...

I go out, look at targets, logistics, cockblocks etc... kind of what sex addict does, then i approach some reject me subtle or want to waste my time, since in 15 to 20 minutes counting from minute one if i do not see the iois, buying temperature, escalation increasing i simply eject( i would say 15% is a good percentage maybe even less)... Here is were the numbers game come into play you will have to approach more than one hb(even if the % was 100% that would be for me boring getting stuck all night with one girl), some will close, some need more info(up to the seducer goal if he wants to waste his time or not), some will reject you( i barely get rejected since i can tell if they are gonna waste my time or not), but sometimes they do it subtle(key word) got a go back to my friends, thank you etc... a numbers game is not going from girl to girl to girl to see if after throwing shit something will stick in the wall, that is not what a numbers game is in my opinion...

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Fuck!!

8 pages!

8 pages!!!

Ezo, get @ me. I generate activity. I can do more if the price is right.

Holla at me.

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Ha ha! Yes, you do generate activity! Debate is good!

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About cold approaching being all a #'s game.

"The ASF mentality toward cold-approaching is to expose guys with little social experience to mass social pressure by throwing them into massive amounts of interactions with girls in as short a time as possible. This works in building up those social muscles and giving you the required social sense/strength to react to almost any situation with cool and calm (becuase you've faced rejection, embarrassment, whatever so many times already)."

This snippet is from my PUA notes I've taken to help myself build up motivation to improve myself, since before I was just a dabbler in PUA, but I have admitted to myself that I have a problem known as being a "AFC/Nice Guy".

Another reason I am here is because "Trust that every opportunity is a step to the next, even if it feels beneath you at the time."

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Pickup is as deep or as shallow as you make it, so if you want to make it out to be sexist crap that makes you look bad, then that's what it is, but if you want it to make you a better person that everyone wants to be around and that women want to be with, then that's what it is too.

I try to think of the seduction group as one massive support group for guys who can't get laid instead of a giant scam made up by a few guys who were able to find success.


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I totally agree bro.

A pick-up artist should be judged on the quality of their game, not about the 100s of women they're willing to say the same boring line after line to, HOPING that this time the girl will cave and give them her number.

Until you can score a good percentage of the time, you cannot call yourself a pick-up artist.


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It's best to never call yourself a pick-up artist but whatever floats your boat. There are many men who call themselves pua's and most of them I do not wish to be associated with.

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It's best to never call yourself a pick-up artist but whatever floats your boat. There are many men who call themselves pua's and most of them I do not wish to be associated with.

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True.

Most people who call themselves PUAs are in fact reformed AFCs and most people who call themselves mPUAs are in fact PUAs. Just like most people who call themselves men are in fact boys.

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You seem very close minded.


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I prefer old and grumpy with a sense of humor.

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The result: Both team has winners eg.: Cajun, Style, Sixty, Vin Dicarlo. Both team has failures: guys stuck in the friendzone(team MM), guys who get rejected every time they go direct (team natural). Probably for the "losers", switching team will help, probably won't. Depends whether it was just an issue of congruence or a completely wrong attitude towards women.
There needs to be a winner for the newbie's (like moi) sake. I've gotten to the point where I screw up chances because I can't decide whether to go indirect or direct, neither works for me so I just use this pathetic mashup of both styles.

Like you said, no style works for me. When this happens, more experienced men have no idea what they are talking about and throw crappy advice out like "it's your attitude towards women" or "you aren't being congruent with who you are".

Really? Lemme break this down.

It's my attitude? Then why do some of the ugliest, selfish, depressive, jerks get the best women?

It's my congruence? My true personality is to treat women with respect and slowly let them decide when they want to make the move. Guess how well that worked for me? I'm pretty sure I've been put in the friends zone more often than

I have no choice but to become fake if I want to get laid. Being uncongruent is the only time I've ever had women pay attention to me in my life.

Those experienced with women spew intellectual BS "oh, both methods work, it's about what makes you happy". No duh, easy to say that on the green side of the fence.

This argument needs to be won because it's highly vital to a newbie's success to get small victories in the beginning. Or you slowly fight a slow decent into Mode Four as Alan Currie puts it like I'm beginning to face.


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...I follow MM. I'm not saying I am a big mac player, but what I will say is the vibes I get when having a calibrated game plan (MM) from women is a lot better than this other so called "game".

I used to fuck with 60YOC.. That shit isn't game, that's a numbers game. Do that shit in Vegas. I will say that once attraction and comfort are built, 60's is great! But we all know he preaches his practices from the beginning of the interaction.
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TygaNasty Presents - I AM A KEYBOARD JOCKEY! (Fuck!!)

First step is admitting it, right?

A brief history about me. I've had 2 gf's. 1 lay. Few girls that have grabbed my dick. And my k-closes are in the double digits.
I rest my case


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I've read most of this thread, and I honestly can't even see what the topic is. Or the point of it for that matter.


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...I follow MM. I'm not saying I am a big mac player, but what I will say is the vibes I get when having a calibrated game plan (MM) from women is a lot better than this other so called "game".

I used to fuck with 60YOC.. That shit isn't game, that's a numbers game. Do that shit in Vegas. I will say that once attraction and comfort are built, 60's is great! But we all know he preaches his practices from the beginning of the interaction.
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TygaNasty Presents - I AM A KEYBOARD JOCKEY! (Fuck!!)

First step is admitting it, right?

A brief history about me. I've had 2 gf's. 1 lay. Few girls that have grabbed my dick. And my k-closes are in the double digits.
I rest my case
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