If a girl is really into a guy would not k-closing the first time hanging out really be a deal breaker? (ie. ending with a hug/kiss on the cheek instead)

Wouldn't they give the guy at least one more shot or take matters into their own hands?

You're asking us to generalize an entire sex of the human race lol. Some girls will and some won't. It depends on the logistics and the level of her attraction to you among other things. The solution here is to just kiss her and not have to worry about it. Below is some advice I gave another member, check it out.

"Always always always always always plan to have sex with her at the end of day two. Did I stress this enough? If she showed up for a day two, then the attraction is already there. The next step after comfort is seduction. It's equally important to kiss her prior to the end of interaction. This has to be the most common mistake guys make when they start off in this. Kiss the girl. The earlier, the better. Fight off the friend zone before it's even a possibility. A kiss during a day two gets her emotionally invested in the interaction and clearly demonstrates that you're sexually attracted to her. Get some IOIs, escalate kino, and then kiss her. If you take control of the situation, she'll follow suit. This should ideally happen in the middle of the day two. If you kissed her on day one, then you open day two with a kiss when you greet her. There is no excuse for not kissing her. If she's there, smiling, and laughing... then she's begging for a kiss. Hell, she probably wanted it more than you did. When you don't kiss a girl by the 4 hour mark you begin to do damage. She walks away from the situation either thinking that you're not attracted to her or thinking that you lacked the confidence to go for it. Since the thought of not being attractive is painful, many women will instead backwards rationalize it and conclude that the kiss didn't happen because she wasn't into you. This is a death sentence. Kiss the girl. "

Great advice, I think a hug with a kiss on the cheek is a great way to end a first date. You're right about the second date though, definitely important to escalate.

A kiss on the cheek? I can talk a random stranger into a kiss on the cheek within 60 seconds, probably less. Hell in some cultures, it's a form of greeting each other. There is absolutely no emotional investment in a kiss on the cheek.

Aim higher.

Mystery states that it takes approximately 7 hours to go from approach to sex. This time isn't consecutive and doesn't include talking on the phone or emailing each other. My experience leads me to agree with him.

If it's taking you longer than 10 hours to get to sex, then you're wasting entirely too much time. The longer you wait, the more time you grant another man with stronger game to step in and pull your set.

You're over thinking it, which is a bigger problem than not kissing the girl itself. You don't need a kiss on the first date. What matters is that you get what you need to done, and that you improve for the future. Not everyone moves at the same pace, and your pace can change over time as well. I'm no pua or expert, but i do know that overthinking everything is not healthy. Worry less, enjoy more.

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I have the same situation as a problem.

For some reason I think and try to make the kiss close perfect, and I end up fucking it as a result.
To me it`s hard to make it look natural, I`m the nervous type so I always thought about the kiss close as a plan, wich on some saturday nights I`ve got the best ones without really trying.

So if there is some kind of kino scalation towards kiss close please share, couse after the kiss everything is a lot easyier, simply natural.

I met this girl on St patty's day. She actually opened me and pulled me away from the crowd I was with and we ate at another place with her friends. We went and had some more drinks at another place after dropping her friend off.

No escalation really going on. Just minor flirting on her part. So we set a date for next week and again the night ended without kissing or physical flirting.

After that I tried to make plans again but she became a ghost.

Are you saying that if there is no kiss/escalation on the first date then there will most likely not be a second?