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Simple Question Stelar? Answer this and I will never ask another. Have you gamed women in the USA? or Canada? If you haven't then what you say will make a lot of sense. I understand Romania is an entire different country.
No , but it doesn't make any difference where you are.

From now on keep away from my threads and I will keep away from yours.

You should try my method , it works better for older men and you'll be amazed how women respond.

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No , but it doesn't make any difference where you are.
How do you know?

And what is the difference between what you have advocated and just harassing young women till they cave?

The particular strand of persistence that you have written about is dangerous as it removes the woman's ability to say "no, I don't want this". And I have to agree with skills, often this persistence just makes guys look annoying.


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No , but it doesn't make any difference where you are.
How do you know?

And what is the difference between what you have advocated and just harassing young women till they cave?

Forgive me but this particular stand of persistence rhetoric is really dangerous as it potentially removes the woman's ability to say "no". And I have to agree with skills, often this persistence just makes guys annoying, persistence can be helpful but not because it is attractive.
You are obviously inexperienced , you should stop guessing and do it for yourself.

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No , but it doesn't make any difference where you are.
How do you know?

And what is the difference between what you have advocated and just harassing young women till they cave?

Forgive me but this particular stand of persistence rhetoric is really dangerous as it potentially removes the woman's ability to say "no". And I have to agree with skills, often this persistence just makes guys annoying, persistence can be helpful but not because it is attractive.
You are obviously inexperienced , you should stop guessing and do it for yourself.
I have enough experience thanks.

Do you not find denying a woman's option to say "No" ethically problematic, at all?

Can you give any advice on discerning between scenarios where persistence is needed and where it is simply an in-appropriate invasion of someone's personal space?


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How do you know?

And what is the difference between what you have advocated and just harassing young women till they cave?

Forgive me but this particular stand of persistence rhetoric is really dangerous as it potentially removes the woman's ability to say "no". And I have to agree with skills, often this persistence just makes guys annoying, persistence can be helpful but not because it is attractive.
You are obviously inexperienced , you should stop guessing and do it for yourself.
I have enough experience thanks.

Do you not find denying a woman's option to say "No" ethically problematic, at all?

Can you give any advice on discerning between scenarios where persistence is needed and where it is simply an in-appropriate invasion of someone's personal space?
Ethically problematic ? Invasion of personal space ?

Are you a virgin ?

I see , I go in , I stay until either she leaves alone or with me.

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I do not understand what you mean by persistence.

I tried to be "persistent" 2 times and nothing good had happend:

* I stopped a girl in the street and was direct, she told me she had a BF and left.
I count 3 seconds and stopped her again the same way and said "You will find that I'm very persistent".
she told me that she is not interested and that I'm being annoying and left.
WHAT ELSE COULD I DO ?

* I approach a girl in a club and told her that I want to know her.
she told me that she is not interested and moved around to avoid me.
I left for 10 minutes and then got back and started to talk to her again, she rejected me with body language, didn't speak and didn't let me touch her.
WHAT ELSE COULD I DO ?

Nothing they were not interested, ok, you go to another part of the club were other women may not have seen the incident and go for another girl, and do not ever say i want to know you, that is WEAK! Learn game...
Ok skills, I know we are all moving away from the concept of "game", there is no such thing as "game" which was odd of you to say. However, what about saying, "...so I wanted to meet you" after something like "hey you look interesting/sexy"?

What you do is game? what is game is relative, game FOR ME, is having skills, calibration, experiences, to get the maximum result, or outcome out of a situation involving women. Most of the stuff we talk here...

Guy with game:

Hey! we do not know each other and we do not have any friends in common so i decided to take the imitative and introduce myself, i am skills...

No game:

sup gorgeous can i buy you a drink please.

Game=skills=knowing what to do and not to do in situation involving women, group or whatever....

There is not suck thing as dick, is call penis get the point...


@stelar dude is good to engage in a discussion, having respectful debate is good for the forum, and we all can get different points of view. But If it bothers you, i will also stop, on the other hand if i ever post something and you do not agree with me or you have a different view i would love for you to comment, that way i may catch or learn something i am doing wrong or get a different point of view.... We all part of the same team, our goal is what is more effective with women...
I would have loved to see you and sex addict discussing strategy...

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Ethically problematic ? Invasion of personal space ?

Are you a virgin ?

I see , I go in , I stay until either she leaves alone or with me.
If you approach a girl and she declines your advances, folds her arms and says:

"Go away, I'm here with my friends for a good time and you are just not my type. I'm sure you would be a very nice boyfriend for someone else but I have no interest in you."

And you do the exact opposite of what is suggested. You stick around and continue to press on.

How can she possibly turn you down? Does she actually have to flee from you or physically assault you before you get the message? How long will she have to wait before you come to an understanding that she doesn't want to sleep with you. It's a cliche, but sometimes "no does means no" not once does your post even consider the idea that a woman might turn you down because she simply isn't into you.

When we are talking about ethics and sex, consent is vital and this attitude that a woman doesn't have the right to turn you down -to effectively withdraw her consent- is one of those beliefs that should be taken out back and shot.

On a less dramatic note:

Sometimes you have entered set so badly -or just met a girl in a nasty head space *insert any number of factors from being married, to being a lesbian*- that you won't recover from it. That's fine, there is no need to annoy people to help protect an ego. Just move on, plenty more fish in the sea.

Persistence works when you are already getting positive vibes and need to keep going until ambiguous "I like this guy, but I'm not sure" vibes turn into "I'm going to go home with this guy and fuck" vibes, it won't on its own however, make a "this guy is a creepy asshole" vibe transform into a "I want to ride this guys cock" vibe.


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I don't know if standing there for 30 minutes staring at her will get me in her pants or not. But to tell the truth I don't even care. I'm definitely not going to stand there like a complete idiot for 30 minutes, when I can find a woman that is interested, and start having an actually great time during that time.

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why is it you tools always just accuse people who disagree of being virgins?

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I remember a guy who was super persistent.. he got laid nearly every-time, because he didn't know when to quit! Fucking PLAYER! :lol:

















..He's now serving time for rape.
^This lol.

I would try this method Stelar... but I'm afraid it might be too aggressive. Enlighten me bro


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I remember a guy who was super persistent.. he got laid nearly every-time, because he didn't know when to quit! Fucking PLAYER! :lol:


..He's now serving time for rape.
^This lol.

I would try this method Stelar... but I'm afraid it might be too aggressive. Enlighten me bro
Without pre-selecting DTF women you are doomed to fail.

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I remember a guy who was super persistent.. he got laid nearly every-time, because he didn't know when to quit! Fucking PLAYER! :lol:


..He's now serving time for rape.
^This lol.

I would try this method Stelar... but I'm afraid it might be too aggressive. Enlighten me bro
Without pre-selecting DTF women you are doomed to fail.
How do you determine a DTF women?


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I'm very persistent and i would never want to lose that quality, however it is not always the best answer in all situations. As skills and slip said.


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^This lol.

I would try this method Stelar... but I'm afraid it might be too aggressive. Enlighten me bro
Without pre-selecting DTF women you are doomed to fail.
How do you determine a DTF women?
Usually there in a 2 set dancing really slowly, not really paying attention to the music kinda looking around maybe playing with her hair and the most obvious drunk

Its easy to tell but their not always the best looking just to let you know :lol:


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^This lol.

I would try this method Stelar... but I'm afraid it might be too aggressive. Enlighten me bro
Without pre-selecting DTF women you are doomed to fail.
How do you determine a DTF women?
body language


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