Create your own storyboard(routine) by working backwards from the desirable end. How many different 'closes' can you come up with? Realistically, all you've got for the initial meeting is one or the few combinations of a number, kiss, or sex. . . That's it, there are no other variables. On the other hand, how many different ways can interactions begin? In theory, it's limitless. In practice, it's still a handful of variables (types of girls, environment, existing social relationships, etc . . .) So the imagery is that of a funnel. Conversations begin with wider possibilities for topics but as things progress, the pua corrals the topics down to a combination of the 3 different closes. This process is the 'pu' routine.

You can always spot a blowhard liar when you hear/read, "I don't do routines because every situation is different. (I do it differently every time)" - Although every situation is different, EVERYBODY doing ANYTHING exhibits patterns; we're creatures of habit. You don't order your favorite Starbucks coffee 50 different ways for the sake of 'ordering 50 different ways'. If you recall the times when you did things differently, you will probably recall that:

1. There were unusual variables present. (New employee, she didn't hear you, broken machine, ran out of an ingredient, etc . . .)

2. You may not have analyzed it this way but the shift in your normal 'ordering pattern' was merely a way to respond to the variables in your usual patterns.

3. Whether you realize it or not, you continued to narrow down the topic to the point where you get your favorite coffee in your hand. (And the last line you use is almost always the same, word for word)

If you'd like to end with a number, your last line might be, "Cool, give me your number, let's go to ______ this weekend." There are probably 2 or 3 different ways you got here. Just from the top of my head:

1. "Ever been to _______ (some bar)? You try the Stoli Doli? The owner actually gets his pineapples shipped in from Hawaii . . ."

2. "So you must know _____? She's a riot; not sure if anybody knows that she keeps a revolver under the bar. LOL . . .

Now how many different ways could you have gotten to the topics above? Probably 5 or 6 . . . A chat about Hawaii, cocktails, guns, bars, or the "name game" will get you there. Then how many different ways can you get to these topics?

The idea is to learn to segway ANY conversation with ANYBODY from ANY topic towards your last sentence. And while getting there, a lot of the pu cliche's apply: You want to turn the girl on . . .you want to play a little hard to get. You want to make things her idea. You want her to chase you. You want to treat her as you would a girlfriend. You want to create a 'future' with her. A little teasing is always fun. You want to create a 'team' (us vs. them) mentality. Etc . . .

If you think about it, this is the flowchart of every successful pu story that can be found in this forum. It usually begins with a wide range of situations and topics but always goes towards one of the three closes. Sounds redundant?

Here's the difference. Most view each conversation piece as an entity of its own. They toss out the 'cube' or whatever they think is dhv, cold read, etc . . . in random order. Then they look for ioi's and hope to pounce on some sort of close when they think the girl is ready. What I am suggesting is a proactive method of bridging from topic to topic having a clear idea of what you want to achieve, and a plan to to get there from any situation and any conversation topic.

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I'd go mad from remembering routine that'd apply to all things that can go wrong in PU.

I think people mean, that they dont use canned routines provided by some "guru". Of course, basic behavior all become routines if you do them often enough. Just going to work in the morning is a routine, one that has gotten so normal to you that you can easily handle variations. If your car breaks down, you take the bus.

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Perhaps "Organize" would have been a better word choice than "Create". The idea isn't to fabricate stories to fit the flowchart but to use the flowchart as a guideline for conversation topics that you already have.

I agree we also have a way of setting off our own cues as well like if we nail a good gambit it will automatically get our brain going in the direction of something complimentary that has worked before.I know I get to a point if I start talking about touch that I start thinking about my stare game close I made up .

You have a good point -- to sum up your post --- always work with the END IN MIND!

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it's called backwards induction. Still, too many variables to take into account. I'm more of proponent of having an outline of your actions, rather than a specific routine for every possible situations.

Go ahead and think of your last 100 pu related interactions and try to write up more than 5 different situations. Can you name more than 10 different conversation topics you had in the last 100 interactions? Even when you begin this journey with an 'outline', if you do this enough, you'll find yourself repeating the same shit 90% of the time. This is unavoidable. You might as well as repeat things that work. Most importantly, the close almost always remains the same regardless of how unique you think you are. . .

^ very fucking true.

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Yes these are the goals. thanks for clarifying that.


This sounds like fun ( not), if you are in your basement and writing on a chalk board, but in pick up, its pointless. Story board routines? What a joke!
Of course the means to the end is to close. A close is a close, it cannot be anything else. It doesn't mean you have to run a routine to achieve this.

The problem with routines is if its all you are relying on and you have to deviate from it,( due to infinite variables of human interaction) you will be lost.



A handful of variables???? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? There is hundreds of variables on any given day/night. You say "in practice" but it's obvious you lack the practice.

Another pointless comment from the resident paper back player. Dude WTF does ordering a coffee have to do with pick up. This comparison is at best, MORONIC. It's so far off its laughable. This stupid comparison is with limited variables. You are still getting the coffee, no matter what the steps in between.(new employee/broken machine...etc etc.) and if not you go to another coffee place.

If you want to compare ordering a coffee 50 times then at least make the employee's 50 different woman that you are completely attracted to and have the chance of you not getting the coffee based on your actions/words. ( You will order your coffee different every time, your words may be the same but doesn;t mean you will be) Add all these in and then you can make a comparison.

You think you are illustrating your point across with these stupid comparisons but you are completely clueless. You act as though you are completely wise to the art of pick up, yet you as a 40+ yrs old man are preaching "routines" Do you honestly think you are helping people with this shit?

Routines are recipes for disaster in the first place, and now you are trying to over complicate them confusing people of this forum even more.

All I see is the OP trying to theorize routine with his own spin on it. If he was successful player he would be laughing at this post and routines in general.

Nobody can plan a conversation or plan a means to the end, at best you can help guide it. All this theory is just that "theory" The OP is basing all of this theory on whats written on paper not from personal experience. Not once in this post, did the OP bring up the most crucial element in all of this. The human element/perception.

Sure we are creatures of habit, but if you are just spitting out routine and habit when trying to seduce a woman, you will get nowhere. Seduction has everything to do with interpretation and action. You can say the same pick up line 20 times but every time it can be interpreted and given off in many different ways. Your actions can be very different with each person, as their reaction will be different.



Pick up is not a mathematical equation to be theorized and equated, if it was, all the nerds of the world would be running the social gauntlet.

It's simply understanding and attracting another human being. But hey you keep working at it, maybe one day you will be able to create the perfect pick up robot.


All I see here is a an attempt to demonstrate social status/value I know this person, and that person. blah blah. This is behavior indicative of insecure people, if this is off the top of your head, it speaks volumes about you. BTW women can see right through this shit.

All recycled info. Where is your own personal experience? People can read all this shit in the books.


Yes you do sound very redundant. Most of your posts have nothing at all to do with picking up women.
NO SHIT SHERLOCK. This is the conversation a correlation of everything, not just useless words (like this post).


In other words you just spent an hour writing this post to say what all the PUA books have already said. The problem with this is you are basing everything on routine and over complicating it to boot.

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If you want to help people, try spitting out shit that people don't already know or can read in any book or post on this forum. And maybe something that has to do with actual pick up. Perhaps you can share your own personal knowledge and experience with women. This is what the readers want.

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Alright...I have to officially admit. I'm sold onto the whole unnatural PU. I hereby proclaim natural game to be load of crap. Reason is quite simple:

1)shitty mood
2)the girl of my dreams getting married which made my mood 1000 times shittier
and finally what translated my shitty mood into disregard of natural game...
3) Justin Wayne PUA with his lay reports and videos where he fucks random girls he meets on the street on the first date who meanwhile have boyfriends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p2A2aUV ... re=channel

Definition of ROUTINE
1
a : a regular course of procedure b : habitual or mechanical performance of an established procedure
2
: a reiterated speech or formula
3
: a worked-out part (as of an entertainment or sports contest) that may be often repeated ; especially : a theatrical number
4
: a sequence of computer instructions for performing a particular task

Alright, let's take a look:
Go ahead and offer us just three of your THOUSANDS of ways you can achieve this. By the way, go ahead read the definition of 'routine' above just once more.
Are you telling me that you have no ability to segway a conversation about traveling to clubs? You can't segway a conversation about restaurants to clubs? You can't segway a conversation about business to clubs? too difficult?
This is not only directed to you but all who claim such things. . . they're usually people who never left home. They imagine that the World is full of all these different experiences and let their imaginations speak for them. After having spun the globe a few times over, I can tell you that people meeting in a nightclub are people meeting in a nightclub. This is the same in Tokyo as it is in Paris as it is in Shanghai, as it is in LA. Hundreds of variables? They show up alone? They show up in two's? three's? . . . all the way to hundred? Go ahead and write for us 10 different variations. Please go ahead. Tell us 10 different variations that would require me to shift my routines. And for every example, I'll bring them into my 'routine' within one sentence (segway)
^This is my point.
Personal experience with just about everything in life, not only pick up. I've made plenty boardroom proposals in front of many different audiences. The flowchart to the desired end routine remains the same. If you've ever done anything in your life and you've done it well, you'd probably have recognized your routines.
I guess you're trying to tell us that you're sensitive to perception and have the ability to interpret. You're telling us that you the ability to be flexible and behave very differently based on these intuitions. Some random thoughts on your claims. 1. This is a good goal. It's the characteristics and talent owned by some of the most respectable people I've met. 2. The reality is I could go out and use the same routine over, over, and over again and gain 50 numbers. I've done this in one weekend a few years back.
Here's some advice for the would-be author. Communications is in fact an art of precision. If you cannot communicate precisely what's on your mind, what's the point?

Your reply is actually quite funny to me because I am not at all surprised by it. I wouldn't expect you to understand it. . . you don't even know the definition of 'value' and you use the word all the time . . . lol . . . No? Define it. Value is _______.

1. Is a request for a date through a statement. It's a way to make a 'date' HER idea. I seldom share things I do word for word but taking out the actual name of the bar, I must have done this a hundred times. This is a bar that is owned by a good friend . . . and yes, he ships pineapples in from Hawaii . . . and this can be segwayed from anything from travel, clubs, restaurants, business, etc . . .

2. Is an association game to increase accountability and familiarity and lower the 'who the hell is this guy vibe'. It's a way to get the girl to think, "I know this guy already."
How would you know? You haven't read any remember? And go ahead and let me know if you've heard of the 2 concepts above in any book.

The rest are some random blabbering. Thanks for your contributions. If you'd like to continue to contribute, please remember to do your homework and identify "Value" prior to using it and offer us just a few examples of the 1,000's of variables you've seen in your Worldly experiences.