Ok so I am new to this thing, but there is that girl at uni (HB10, and yes she gets attention from other guys too!) which I used to hangout together (+she asks her female friend to go with us too + I am not sure if a wingman would work because she has a boyfriend). And yes there was a few times when we went only 2 of us, but I screw it up mainly because I was very confused - she didn't show any IOI, she almost always sits seperatly from me. And she beraly dances (maybe because she doesn't drink and can't relax? I mean I stopped drinking but I can relax without alcohol). But then again, if she is not intrested why she agrees to hangout?

So I decided to try fixing the situation, waited for about a week and then txt her. I am pretty sure she was flirting and the convo was not cold, but when I asked her to play pool she said that she will invite her female friend too!

Anyway here is part of our conversation. I am new to this thing but I am trying to learn so your feedback would be very valuable for me... And any advice what to do if she brings her friend would be very appreciated.


ME
yeah so do you need to go to uni tomorrow?


HB
yeah *time* till *time*


ME
ahh so it probably would be bad idea to go to a club now


HB
yessss and im broke lool


ME
do you know
how to play pool?


HB
not really


ME
great so let's go tommorow to play pool and I will teach you


HB
is it free and where is it ol
lol*


ME
hmm dunno, but I am sure that there are planty in CITY and yeah it is free so I will text you tommorow where and when we should meet


HB
lool kk ill get *HER FRIEND NAME(well you can call it my friend to)* to come aswell
is that cool


ME
hmm I think I found one place but looks like it is only for members, but there are planty more so I will txt u tomorrow the place.. yeah but then we need one more player because it has to be an even number of players (not sure if I write it correctly but it is like 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3 etc.) hope you get it


HB
ohhh kk well ill see tommorow


ME
see you tomorrow then


HB
yeahh kk

I would not go out with her and her friend.

Bringing her friend shows lack of trust and/or interest in you, and now you need to impress two people instead of one. She seems like a cold prospect to be honest but I would be firm about the no friend thing. Also don't pay for her, she seems to be implying you should pay with her silly broke comments.

Thanks for reply. Anyway she didn't completaly said if she will bring her friend or not (after she asked me if that's ok, I said that then we will need one more player) so she just said "ohh kk see you tomorrow", so how should I find out?

so hanging out with her and her friends(not just one of her friends but maybe more) is generally a bad idea?

here's the thing though. what if you manage to impress her friends? not by showing off or anything like that, but just by showing you are a very social guy, who is very fun to be with and is confident and funny, doesn't that DHV, i.e. profit?

3 good reasons for No friends rule (there are a lot more)


Your limiting your ability to escalate if you cant isolate

One friend who doesn't like you will destroy tentative attraction

Friends make it hard to maintain the dominance frame you generally need to generate attraction

now while it is true if you massively impress all her friends it could be a good thing, but the downside is just more likely considering the social dynamics. And if your the kind of guy who can impress a party of woman you shouldn't have had an issue impressing her solo - again no upside to friends.

Couple of quick tips

....

1. If your inviting a chick somewhere you need to KNOW a place not err well i don't really know...You need to know your area ... If you don't get to know it and fast !

2. Bro your so in the friends zone !!!!!!!
Now if your not already fucked but i can imagine you probably already are ...( sorry )

There are one or two get out clauses ...

1. She needs to see you with other women and them enjoying your company and flirting with you .... With the HB in question you clearly wasnt sexually escalating, or you wasnt dont it correctly ...

2.Make your time and hospitality a little more of a challenge and be more challenging to her...

These are you 2 main things

If you do go out with the 2 girls which is fine..... get the friend to FUCKING LOVE you !!!! i mean think your the shit... Funny , cool , etc....Whilst giving the HB no value .... but what is tricky u need to escualte with her ... .


And remember at the end of the night Kiss her or at least try ...Remember Friends dont kiss....

If it goes tits up and she fucks you off so be it, your probably fucked anyway ....But there is always hope ...


Good luck bro

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Thanks for post man, I really appreciate it. Looks like luck has abadoned me, anyway for this kind of girl it was worth trying (she is like HB9/10).

So I ignored her (not completaly) and I flirted with her friend, but I was using some KINO and micro-escalation too (like teaching how to play pool, high five, sometimes push her when tries to hit a ball, look in to her eyes etc.) as you said. And her friend liked me a lot, like she said she will introduce me with her boyfriend and she even bought me a drink! (not only for me but for all of us). Anyway at the end I suggested to go to the club but they said that we need to go to university tomorrow bla bla bla. So I didn't find any good timing for a kiss and I left it for the end. At the end, when she wanted say good bye and to give a hug, I said: "Kiss for goodbye?" And her reaction was like wtf? Kiss?

She just leant back and said: "kiss?"

I don't know maybe I should have kissed her because she didn't said no, but what scared me was that she leant back. And her reaction was so funny for me that I couldn't control myself and start laughing! She (and her friend) started kind of laughing too so I just gave her a hug. Maybe she tough I was joking? I gues it doesn't matter now because I fucked up?

Anyway I am sure that she showed me some IOI before for example (don't know how to say it in english but she took me on the lower half of the arm above the elbow and asked to go out with her and her friends) so I gues I just needed to act quicker.

So now I don't know if it is even possible to fix this or I shouldn't waste my time (I mean it is really worth to waste time if it is possible to get some good results...)

And yeah I know that there is bunch of other girls but I don't have any luck with them (I only had luck with those that I don't play - the fat and ugly ones, good thing is I don't drink).

So yeah I need your advice guys should I continue trying with her or just leave it like that?

Hey guys need you help and advices please! I wrote her after last night...



ME
hey sorry for the awkward moment last night

HB
lool huuh what awkward moment
?

ME
you know when I said kiss for goodbye... You just looked that you want to kiss me
I didn't said you could though
anyway did you uploaded the photos?

HB
huuh when was that lool I remember you said a kiss goodbye but Ijust laughed cuz I knew you were joking

ME
hehe looks like I need to learn how to be more serious Anyway I can't find any photos in you profile from yestarday so when you will have time upload them

HB
lool boy you confusing heheheh
hahaha awww
looool alright alrighttttt Mr

ME
Mr?

HB
mister lol

ME
so is this new nickname for me? I liked cat better...


HB
loool Cat it better kitty

ME
yeah thats even better
u alright with doggy?

HB
NO I AINT! lol

ME
lol
so what nickname do you want?


HB
lol *her name*

ME
thats not a nickname!

HB
lol ohyeah you don;t know my real name lol

ME
thats not your real name? :OOOOOOOOOO

HB
yeah hahahaha
do you want to know what it is?

ME
yeah LOL

Then she says her name bla bla bla con went cold...

So looks like I was right that she was thinking that I was joking... Not sure what to do know:(

I'm a noob, so take my suggestions as it is.
I think you're already in the friend zone, so I would suggest using her as sort of like a bridge to get her other friends. Be like, hey next time introduce me to some of your single friends, it will get her thinking you are not into her anymore. Might or might not work but who cares? seeing how you already lost it with her right?

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