Honestly no 10s. I have very little experience with girl's in my eyes that are 8+. So maybe you are right .

I think treating girls differently because they're "10"s and worrying about screwing it up will fuck you up more. They're just the same as less attractive girls, they're attracted to the same things.

I have disagree with you there. Before you have sex, there's sexual tension and flirtation in the air. The longer you let it build up the better the sex is as a payoff. As soon as you have sex rationality creeps in..I start thinking, "do I really want to keep seeing her?" and she has to answer the same question about me. In most cases the answer is, meh...been there done that, too busy with other things, and either it fizzles out or you enter into boring girlfriend mode, or you stay in Fuckbuddy mode for a couple weeks until she starts to have emotional reservations.

Doesn't matter what you are looking for, if it's a relationship, fuck buddies, whatever, I am convinced you are FAR better off F-closing on the first date than holding out. Chick love a guy that can F-close them on a first date, it makes you look uber-sexual and confident in her eyes, and it is sex is the best rapport builder there is.

The more experience I get with women the more convinced I am that you MUST go for an F-close on date 1 no matter what the situation.

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If you don't kiss on the first date make sure she's dripping wet for you by the end of it at least.

I think it's a must if you want to take things to the next level (fast). But again, that's my humble opinion

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Kiss? 95% of the time I fuck on the first date. No buyers remorse, and that's because they throw it at me. I just move in for a kiss and it leads to either one of us asking to go to the bedroom. If they don't move in for at least a kiss you didn't do something right.

I'll talk to a girl for like a week and a half on the phone before ill even go out with her, during that week I'm out with someone else. I do this till I find one that blows me away and a relationship begins. During that week I tease and build comfort so its A/ not awkward on the firsr date and B/ its less work on my part on the date, we already know each other and she's open.

Agree with this. I do it myself after learning this a long time ago (the hard way lol)

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So I've read all the replies and the overall sentiment is go for the kiss and only that but go for it all. F-close that girl.

From my experience I would totally agree, and I figure that if you don't go for it your basically tell the girl that she isn't HB10, she is not hot and she doesn't deserve to be escalated on.

I'm definitely going for the kill on the rest of my dates from now on.

F-close on a first date, well at least try to. No matter how hot she is

I just nailed a 6 tonight.. 5th girl I've seen since I seen the 10.

She used token resistance on me by telling me she would never do porn or nude modeling but I told her "Too bad I like porn stars, it takes a unique woman with great sexual confidence to do porn".
Then I kiss closed her right before pulling a "Hey you gotta see my dog and we can watch a movie" offer.. then we get to the bed and she keeps resisting me pulling down her pants while we're making out. So I take away EVERYTHING! And she quickly takes off her pants.
Its amazing... I figured something out big, thanks to this forum.. women need punishment. They need a guy to tell him you GET NOTHING FROM ME! Unless you can do something from me. Wow how powerful is that?

But I'm still thinking about the 10. Today I was craving her pretty badly for 4 hours straight.
I keep asking myself if it's really an obsession. If it's really in my head and my dilemma of not being able to get what I want, then why do I feel this stuff in my heart?
It has got to be more then obsession.
I haven't spoken to the 10 since over a week. And I feel as thought I need to tell her that I can't waste anymore time, I'm attracted to her and I want to see her or its over I can't be her text buddy anymore.
This is the only thing I can think off... I believe I need to come direct or I'm just going to slip into the friend's zone for all eternity.