First of all, it's true that woman are typically approached, but that doesn't mean women don't need to learn their own pickup arts. What makes a woman attractive is not JUST her looks it's also how she carries herself. And for a woman, it's not so much about picking up a guy, but how to keep a guy interested.

Clearly, the techniques employed by a woman must be very different from those used by a man, just because our brains work so much differently. So I don't think that Sunny will really get the best success by trying to employ these methods, but who the hell cares?

Personally, I think her stories are entertaining.

Welcome to the forum, Sunny (I'm also new here.)

I was waiting for a comment about my sex....Expected....

And you are so right the techniques are completly different ie Negging....But alot of the principles are the same ie push pull, peacock ....and where better to come than here to get expert advice from guys who have game......I mean Its' been extreamley enlightening for me. I am in general interested in life and all it has to offer me....this is no exception.

I can deal with your general men but I am wanting my relationships to be of high calibar gameing....otherwise I get board......So I'm stepping it up a notch and letting you all hear it from a female perspective....which I would think should be of some value to you. If its not thats cool. I' not hear to please you all ......I'm just another person wanting to talk openly about this stuff in hopes of helping me with my social and relationship skills.....Looks are only half the game...HB8

@ thedocta ....Thank you....Pleased to meet you!

@SunnyHolly - Just curious how old are you?

I am 23.....dare I ask why.....

She has all the right to come here and ask for advice, the same i have girl friends that helps me understanding some girls, and when they ask my opinion about some boy problem I gave them. Unfortanely there are a lot of men manipulative enough to cheat some girls and we probably have our share of destroying the girls dream. She has the right the protect herself, but I think you are manipulative enough to crack some pua head. The only thing I really find amusing here , is the fact the way she gives value to herself IM HB 8! 

She does have every right to post here. The guys that are bashing her are insecure about it as heaven forbid a female will come here and talk about PUA.

Just curious mostly as you seemed young from reading your op and from your replies here. Not saying that is a bad thing. As far as stepping up you game, I think you have a fair amount to work on. Playing less games in general will help tho. Also if you get board, you are going after the wrong guys then. Or are more interested in the conquest than the reward.

Well obviously I'm out numbered but I'm still not a fan, maybe we'll let chicks piss in the urinals too.

Boys club, that's my vote, this is a boys club, is that so wrong?

Oh can I post my own rating out of ten in every post as well, I'm a HG10 by the way, just so you know

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Well, a lot of theatrics going on in here. Not interested in being a part of that.

Just going to add my two cents.

I've read your entire post and here's the two things I think you should be told:

1 - Make no mistake, we all love to chase. I mean, I am sure I speak for a lot of guys who love the thrill the chase gives us, it's almost as rewarding as the final prize. If women could be got on a platter the way we wanted them, things would be dull and boring and this community won't even have existed. Now, that being said playing hard to get is fine, relentless cancelling on the poor bloke, is not. I am sure you have your reasons, but you could've rescheduled and made fair on that. Trust me, the day we start believing that a woman is more trouble than she is worth, we completely back off and in our heads and hearts that attraction dies down, as quickly as it came. Playing hard to get is fine, we all enjoy it a bit, being a prude with a tendency to not being able to make up her mind is annoying and frankly a turn off.

2 - Personally, I appreciate your presence on the forum. We need more women, so that we might be able to understand more about the 'other side', than we already do. It's always good to hear how our words and actions are interpreted by the women and you can definitely help us with that interpretation by commenting on the problems and issues people face here. It would definitely be something helpful and worth gaining from, through the insights of a female.

P.S. For those who say that we want an "All Boys Club", I'm surprised you've never noticed that Roz who is one of the moderators in here, has been for a while now, is a woman. And don't equate this place to urinals or men's lockers, makes it a bit uneasy.

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You have my vote. Can't believe I'm the only one actually.

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I'm not against it. I just believe it isn't really neccessary for a girl to learn pick up due to the fact that it doesn't work on men. We base attraction highly on looks, a girl coming up to me running some openers will not get far if she isn't attractive in my eyes. If I am talking to a girl and she is throwing around push/pull bullshit, making me uncertain if she is worth my effort, I will drop her.

You simply need to become an interesting/fun/caring girl and know enough to smell out a player. Men notice looks first, personality second (95% of men). We label girls with codes like HB8 and its all over every post. Not once have I read "HB3 with amazing personality". Sounds shallow, but it's reality.

girl puas r so interesting:)

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Just trying to meet a 10.

btw y do u like leading guys on and shit. if u like him then just kiss him. cut the stupid disinterest shit

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Just trying to meet a 10.

Well if you only want to get her in bed yes what you are saying is 100% true. For me a girl has to be challenge, unfortanely ive discussed this with my friends , maybe its because I had girls throw away at me, and going slutty mode to get my attention, believe it turns me down, but if a girl knows how to keep me interested it goes a long away, play push and pull ofc to a degree when I see being manipulative I bail. It really depends personality can play a huge factor especially when we are talking one it is, I have friend for example that tells is girls is HB 8 and yes its PUA , I would give a 5, some girls can hook up you with her personality. Having HB10 with nothing in her head I would drop her to a HB2 but that my thought . Ive met really stupid girls and shallow.

The only question she was asking, if the guy had game, or was just innocent, so she could know what to do, and how to behave, I don’t see no harm

First of all Thank You all for the imput .....I have taken it all on board.

Don is right, please dont compare this site to a urinal....lol...

Maybe I am dateing the wrong men. But as you know, finding someone that fits is quite hard. Especially when you arn't the aggressor(although thats changeing). the bullshit you have to weed through to find even just a friend(including female friends).......You have to wait to be picked (unless you know how to pick up)and god knows who's cracking on to you and what there intentions are. At first, anyway!!!! (or thats how it was!!)

I shall keep posting my stories on here to help me with my skills until an authority stops me. Which I'm sure(95% ) they wont, as I am doing no harm.

My Mr Nice seems to have gone cold on the texting since yesterday. He asked when we would catch up next . I said I'm open to suggestions. And his reply was so am I. I assume this was because of the cancelations. I shall begin the texting again today as I'm not working(sicky...shhhhhh...lol ) and provide an update on the situo for those who are interested or would like to help.

As for being manipulative....I have herd this word from my own mother in the past. However It is not something that I am aware I'm doing. I guess I just see what I want and everything else is just a minor problem to be solved on the way to the goal. I dont however lie cheat or steal to get there.

My attitude is changing with each bit of imput and advice I receive and book I read! It amazes me how I got by in a social scene without these skills previously. Or rather I can see so many mistakes I was makeing now (hindsight
) I cant wait to learn more! It's my new side hobbie. That is to say a hobby on the side of all the other dam hobbies I have...lol.....

Oh and refering to myself as HB8 is because I thought it would help you guys know what kind of female the posts are coming from.....'HB8 alfa' view will be very different from 'HB3 great personality'.

I'm updateing HG8 Thread too as there has been a major development there.