Hi

First of all I want to say that I opened this topic not to complain or show off, but to solve my issues and I have tons of those.

Let me begin by introducing myself. 25 y.o., muscular (100kg, 1.9m high, no fat, well almost). Graduated from university, have descent job and therefore I'm not poor. People say I'm good looking, I agree, nothing extraordinary though, but def. not ugly, I also believe that I'm stylish and know how to dress up. I recently moved out. I like sports, and I don't drink, don't smoke, don't take drugs.

On the bad side, I'm absolute 0 with girls. I have very few female friends and we're just friends. At first, it was never my priority (university, 2 jobs, sports sports sports). Now I'm just so far behind, and I need to fix that. There are couple of problems I see:

1. I don't drink and I don't dance, so no clubs or bars for me. Unless I learn how to dance, but I'm 25, not 18, kinda old for all night clubbing I find.
2. My interests are work and sports. I really do work alot, about 60-70h/week + gym 3 times a week + taking care of my place, cooking etc.
3. I live in QC, where French is #1 language. I do speak French fairly well, but not as good as English (and French girls are really hot

My goal is to become very good at pickup, it's not in my habit to do something half way, I either do it well or do not touch it at all. For that, I'm ready to find resources, both time and money and ready to go through maybe a painful path (I know that there is no magic and only practice will get me there). I would really appreciate if someone points me in the right direction: literature, training sessions, overall long and short term plans? I'm sure it's not the first thread like that, but here it's special case.

Thanks!

Hi man, I'm also just starting out, but have read up quite a bit already.

The Game by Neil Strauss aka Style is a classic. Just great to get insight into PU. Also a really fun read.

"Mystery Method - How to get beautiful girls into bed" is what I'm on now. There is also "Revelation" and other stuff by Mystery, but I like to start from scratch, and it's all just SLIGHTLY modified stuff anyway.

I think "The Art of Seduction" is also something that a few people like. I've read it a few times.

I think that should get you started?

Good luck to you!

Welcome, MBZ, I have none of your attributes, I weigh 260 pounds--I've lost eighty pounds, but still, I'm heavy--I work sporadically at best, I live at home with my parents, and I don't have a big college degree. But, just in July, I was at a conference in Maine, and I picked up a beautiful 25 year old girl that worked at Best Buy, in the parking lot of Best Buy.

I, like you, don't drink, do drugs, or any of those things. I found it hard to perfect my game as well under those circumstances, because I don't go to bars or clubs.

What places do you like to hang out at? I found lounges to be tolerable, coffee shops, bookstores, and the such. I 'm guessing you have lunch breaks, all those different places to eat lunch are great places.

There's a seminar this weekend in Montreal, Canada for Speed Seduction by Ross Jeffries, and if you don't want to go to a Seminar or don't have the time. Rjseminarvault has four of his full seminars right online for a mere 327 dollars.

I have read and studied all of the seduction materials out there. I have all of Real Social Dynamics products. I have read all of Love Systems books. I have gone through Ross Jeffries products--I'd personally skip Speed Seduction 3.0 for the Seminar vault. I have Gambler's 4 products and his book. I have Meohow's products, Several of Vince Kelvins. And my favorite is Zan Perrion Ways of The Natural. I'm writing this whole list, not to impress, but to tell you I'm very well researched on the matter.

There's a lot of material. It's all about understanding who you are as a person, what your goals are with women. Once you understand that, it's about learning what it is matches your personality. There is no magic pill, no golden system,

start with david d double your dating... Also get the book the game, for entertainment, and too see what is possible. Bars and clubs are good, you are not to old to learn how to dance that is bs. Also join plentyoffish.com

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Thanks guys. I think I read Double Your Dating in the past, but I should probably reread it. More suggestions?

Also, is POF good thing? I mean sure, I already booked a photo session to have descent pictures there but:

1. Why would a good looking girl go on the dating website, they do have enough attention in real life I assume.

2. Say I will learn the game with online girls, I think it's very different in real life, to try and open the girl, isn't it?

No that was for cherry on the putting... Just have it to go there like once a month...

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Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a dancefloor/club environment, check out my blog and youtube channel:
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Dancefloor/Club game youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/dancefloorseduction

Ok, I'll get good pics on Wednesday and then create a profile there. Any good training out there except MM? I had couple of friends who did take MM, they are not very happy with the results to be honest. What do people here think about it?

pure caca!!!!!!!!other than the first few chapters...Go to hulu and watch keys to the vip...

Go out and start talking to girls, or wait for my book lol!!!!

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Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a dancefloor/club environment, check out my blog and youtube channel:
http://www.dancefloorseduction.com

Dancefloor/Club game youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/dancefloorseduction

Hulu? more info on that? Why is MM so bad, he claims to be the best out there and bla bla bla?

Here:

http://www.hulu.com/keys-to-the-vip

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Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a dancefloor/club environment, check out my blog and youtube channel:
http://www.dancefloorseduction.com

Dancefloor/Club game youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/dancefloorseduction

ok, US only, but I got the point, I'll try to find it elsewhere. Thanks buddy!

there is a guy here called wrapped minds or something like that he can be a good guide for you...Pm him.... He is good for the type of game you want here is his link:



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Learn the proper way to maximize your results in a dancefloor/club environment, check out my blog and youtube channel:
http://www.dancefloorseduction.com

Dancefloor/Club game youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/dancefloorseduction

I dont drink either and Im not to good at dancing and I still hit up clubs all the time. Also, don't worry about your age... your still young

You say you dont speak the language very well but thats not really a problem. Direct physical game is your answer (specially because your well built and good looking.)

My suggestion to to go to the PUA Lounge, read Chiefs outer game post (its stickied) and then read thru some of my threads (do a search for Warped Mindless) and go out and give it a try.

If you wanna check out a product go with 60yearsofchallege's products. Google him.

You sound determined so best wishes to you and PM me if ya need anything cleared up

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I Posted this in anouther thread but i think it fits here to.

Approaching - Be Calm, Remember nothing is gunna Happen thats gunna Hurt you, Besides your emotions which your in controll of, its your body Dammit.! Worst That Can Happen is a No and Learning what went wrong, what worked and didnt work for you, Best that can happen is You Close Succesfully, Gain Morre Confidence and Experience.

And Always Have Good energy, Try not to be to Negative, be positive smile, Act and Behave Happy Like you love life even if you dont, if you get caught out on it, turn it into a oke, you might not be able to become so quick Reaction wise [AKA Witty] But it will come over time, So take it as experience.

Think About it, Your only talking to this girl so you can be good enough to talk to that perfect 10/ Girl of your dreams in the future! Tell yourself your the shit, know your the shit, act like your the shit, Confidence is extremely attractive to Girls, it Shows your Alpha which they Love . Dont Take it to serious, have fun and Besides, they Probably dont loook all that without that Makeup they have on Anyways!

Direct and In-Direct Approaches
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*Theres Direct and In-direct Opener's [Use Routines, Already made up ones to start then make your own eventually, dont sound like your reading a script when you say it though lol] Direct is Where you go right In and Say What you gotta say, Thats for more Fast Paced Interactions, Like Clubs, Party's, Etc. .. .

* In-Direct is More of a Calm Environment type of Thing, Like Stores, Beaches Etc. . . When you Do In-Direct, its what it sounds like Youd Make it seem like your not picking her up, but attract her quick enough to actually keep Escalating Forward with her and she'll wanna stick around with you, Then You can do whatever you want! Like Going Direct, Taking Risk's because you KNOW Shes Interested [3 IoI's or More] and Enjoy yourself!

Remember Always have Fun As if its a Game, Thats why they Call it Game! In a Game if You Lose, You learn what you did right and wrong and correct yourself, and eventually get better. ;]

Thats What i think and How i Approach and Started. So Go Kick Ass Bro.!

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