Hey guys i watched the pickup artist on vh1 and it looks like the method is working. I recently bought the book mystery method how to get beautiful women in bed. After reading a little of it i would have to say its a waste of time. It seems like from a girls point of view i would look like im trying too hard and it would fail. maybe this worked at the time but not now. Anyone got any ideas if i should bother learning this? I honestly just prefer being bold and direct with a person and i prefer day game. Not really into clubs.

I'm fairly new but the mystery method seems to be a corner stone in the seduction community I get asked two or three times almost every day about this change and i have introduced a few friends into the community my suggestion is ussually to read the game, magic bullets, and the mystery method then to venture out from there when i read it it did seem a little out dated but the basic psychology has been the same since the 1700's personally i think negging is way to strong in this book and i agree completely that using the system on its own would give the appearance of trying to hard

i have read the game and the mystery method ive only read up to the m3 model to see what that is. I dont really know if i should get magic bullets though. I want to start game asap. I was thinking of just going around downtown and talking to girls without a game plan. I know next month school starts and my campus area is in downtown and filled with girls all the time. I have gotten numbers before i knew anything about game and it was just me asking an indirect question and going on from there. a couple weeks ago i talked to these milfs at this club i went to and i am just a very confident person so i go talk to them and my best opener was "hey hows it going" for some reason it seemed to work and these ladies were all over me grabbing my hair and everything and i left with them out of the club but at the end of it they said its way too weird for them to go with me because im too young for them. Should i continue this or just go learn these text book game and follow those.

The corner stone of pua is approaching everyday not the method, consistently with your own series of convo threads in place. Whatever method you read it literally does nothing until you are out there actually taking things from literal context (reading it) to it being part of your reaction.

All methods have the important points
1. Opener and 2. Time constraint.
3. Transition.
4. Conversation
5. Number close (some skip)
6. Changes in venue and 7. Escalation all the way to f-close.

Its all the same things.

The one major flaw of MM is it teaches you to premeditate your conversations. In order to be successful you need to use crutches until you react the correct way to any given situation.

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how did you start your pua journey? I have no fear of approach so i dont need to worry about that. Only my first approach i have some fear but after that im good. I want to see how others started. I want to get real serious with this and meet my goals.

That's kind of odd....everyone has SOME fear of the first approach. I've been doing it for years and still have it. I would say take everything you can from MM, The game, Evolutionary psychology and other aspects of it and make it fit your life and, the life you want whatever that may be. It is all applicable in some way, but it's got to be stylized with you so you maintain consistency. Most routines are just examples, not a means to an end. The travel bag story for instance wouldn't make sense if you consistently prove you actually don't give a shit about them.

Figure out who you are, and who you want to be, stay consistent and develop your own routine with that. Always be a work in progress and you maintain authenticity.

If you want to meet your goals, figure out what they are, come up with a logical, concise plan and then attack.

As I understand it, the emphasis on negging in MM is due to the fact that the method is aimed at true HB9/10s.
Negging is not nearly as effective (and can even be quite detrimental) on HB6-8s.

It's all about context and calibration. A 6 or 7 isn't going to respond well to a back handed compliment. Negs are only there if you want to bring a girl down a peg.

example: smoking hot girl surrounded by men fawning over her at the bar. I would throw three negs her way simply because she is used to men treating her like gold. Instead you want to call her on her shit, she's not that special because she's hot, what else does she have going for her?

It could be you're in some dumpy bar in po-dunk and a 6 has guys all over her, because she's the only punn in town. In this case despite the fact she is a 6, you would probably neg. Social dynamics come into play for these situations.

It's not meant to hurt anyone, only get them down to your level or raise yourself (perception) to hers.

A 7 or below. I would only neg if she puts on a front or something, but the book-worm 7, you probably wont need to. Each girl/set is going to be different, a negative compliment isn't always needed.

That said the MM can be applied with any girl, it just a matter of calibration, context, location. Pick whats best for your HB and go with it.

Also for online daters out there, DO NOT NEG ONLINE.

Thanks a lot bro. Thats good advice. I will read MM and i will try to apply it in some way to make it work for me and my personality during day game. I got one more thing to ask if anyone can answer at all. I have a weird name which is hard to pronounce for some people and i was just wondering if i used a more common name, would it help my game?

I do mostly daygame in supermarkets, stores, campuses, bookstores malls. I usually just go to clubs with girls ive already gamed. Started it years ago after a terrible break up with an ex i didnt like so much. Learned the game, went from flirting with some people i meet, into dating a new girl every month or so to dating new ones every 1-2 weeks, then went on a ltr with an awesome girl that actually kinda gamed me. She was totally amazing in looks and personality. Shes rare so decided to retire from this for a while. Broke up with her, but still VERY good friends then restarted pua again a few months ago. Had to relearn all of it (outer game but not inner game), not as hard as first time. That is why consistency is important.

You are starting as you have said. You will feel aa recur a lot even when you think you have overcome it for good. So just keep in mind to sarge almost everyday even you do or dont feel like approaching.

As for your question. I dont think it would matter unless its part of a routine.

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Your whole goal with this should be to set yourself apart from other men, which is one reason why a lot of skilled PUA employ the use of avatars or, a garish monicker. I would fiddle around with it, or come up with a nickname if you aren't comfortable. Inevitably a girl will ask for your real name, tell her, and the response (if she is into you) will be "Oh, that so unusual" in which case she will then ask you about background, family, origin ect ect

If it is hard to pronounce, not only could this be used as a neg (if needed) but also a starting point to build comfort and rapport. Come up with one or two good stories about it's origin or special meaning. Remember---human beings, and, especially women are far more socially adept then men. They will see right through any bull shit you throw at them, I say keep the name: it offers a lot of game possibilities and will give you an air of ownership in yourself, and authenticity which many in the community lack.

thanks a lot man. Tomorrow I am going sarging around downtown area with no game plan. I just want to build up the idea of approaching for a while to make it more common for me. Im starting this because i also got out of a really bad break up. Also thanks for the advice M2 that will help me.

No worries, but keep in mind--a woman isn't always going to fill the hole that another left. Just relax, have fun (which is the most important) and if things happen great, if not, you at least had fun.

This is my biggest downfall at the moment, just having fun. I'm obsessing over tactics and shit and forgetting to just have fun.

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lol i never really think about it. I just go approach and see what happens. Maybe no game plan is a bad idea. I just got mindfucked today by this girl at the hooters. It was weird. I went up to talk to her and she seemed like she was thinking omg get the fuck away from me because no eye contact at all after a few seconds and she was leaning against the wall but she did the hair brush while i talked to her and she was doing the whole hand scratching thing after a while. I still couldnt get much out of her and she said men are assholes. I swear it was started with an opinion opener about some relationship advice. She just seemed like a waste anyway so i just left.