I thought I had this girl extremely interested in me. She would sit close to me, our legs would be touching. I'd touch her knees and just above it with my hands and she'd respond positively, touching my arm and such. Her hands would linger on mine for even up to 20 seconds.

Bunch of other stuff too, she would try and tease me. Give me hugs and ask for hugs when saying goodbye. She would suggest we do things outside of lecture, like grab a bite to eat or come visit her at her new job, etc.

So this was for about 2 weeks, I'm getting ready to ask her out since the term is ending and we'll be done with finals in a week. I was flirting with her over text and she suddenly told me to stop texting her things like that.. that she sees me as a friend and she wants to keep it that way (a lot more subtly said than that but I got the gist).

I couldn't possibly have read all that as being friendly right? The whole sitting next to each other and our bodies touching and leaving our hands and legs touching each others... friends don't do that?

She doesn't seem the type of person to just flirt and play games...but maybe you never know. Besides that explanation how did this get fucked up?

she was interested in you and there was a window of opportunity when you could have made something happen but you stalled out with the sitting close, hands lingering and good by hugs.

In other words you moved too slow and put too much in her court. Things weren't moving fast enough or intense enough to make it interesting for her and you became a "nice guy" to her.

You were getting all giggly and giddy over having your legs touching on a park bench and she wanted someone's nutsack slapping her in the ass while her legs were over his shoulders.

Bottom line is she wanted some romance, passion, adventure and excitement and you gave puppy-dog cuddles and she got bored.

Here is a key word for you to burn into your brain and to research, study and master -

ESCALATION!

With proper escalation you can have hot passionate sex with women in a matter of hours or sometimes even minutes. You spent two weeks with this gal and you were up to good by hugs that she had to ask for.

You missed your window by not escalating and making it interesting and profitable for her.

You were a nice guy AFC through and through and you got friendzoned just like all other AFCs.

dude honestly you didnt do anything wrong,how tight your game was we don't know however what i can tell you is this,girls in relationships like to flirt and tease and chat to other guys,yes we are in the age of sluts ,girls are just like guys now with dating more than one guy.

all that happened was that her boyfriend found out and she had to choose her long term benefit over the short term,in other words guy she flirts with or guy she slept with?

sorry man once that emotion attachment is there its hard to get past in,however there are some girls who still try something after that and you can try your luck and becoming friends with benefits,i mean thats the kind of friend that does that(Whole leg touchy part) but always remember if you invest time into something that isn't yours then whats the point.

Marche

Here I was thinking the exact opposite.

I was thinking that she was hinting she wanted me to ask her out. Like she was waiting for me to say hey lets get a bite to eat or lets take a walk in the park whatever bullshit.

I was touching her and flirting with her without asking her out, so I figured she thought I just wanted to get in her pants and not have a relationship. So she distanced herself.

I'll take your advice into consideration. If I escalate too fast won't that hurt me also? I thought that's the mistake I made, which was be too physical without taking her out, so she thought I just wanted sex.

I think next time I need to ask her out quicker before touching her the way I was.

No shes not hinting at you to ask her out, theres a song called "girls just wanna have fun", and thats true.
not to say you couldnt ask her to grab a bite or walk in the park - you dont have to b a BF to hang out with someone.

You think that touching her and flirting was bad? unless its infront of her BF who cares? she doesnt, and if you think touching is bad, your game is SH!T, you better stop gaming (seriously) if you cannot touch ANY woman you want anytime (not anywhere tho lol) then stop gaming and learn kino - I can touch any woman, at any location, at any time.
Also, oh no a woman thinks you want in her pants? so does the cashier at Starbucks, so does the lady at the park, and you havnt even talked to them... Pretty much all women assume this as a defensive sheild, but its EASILY used to our advantage.

You asked if you should escalate to fast, obviously, thats to fast. You answered your own question. Anyways truthfully women TELL you how fast to go, they can want more and your not giving them enough, or you can be giving to much. kino example - (this is a fail on my part) I met this girl at a concert and it was good, i had my game on like crazy and ended up holding her hand for like 30 seconds (because i can read body language so well i knew when to let go, but when to hold on to increase tension) in the first 10 mins of knowing her. It was easy getting to that part, but the stupid thing was i didnt escalate, and she went to another group. The point is is I didnt let her tell me when i went to far, so I didnt go far enough. The thing with this is, they only will tell you when you've gone to far, so put your toe in (put your leg on hers), see how cold it is (if she moves or lets it stay there) and if its warm, keep going, if she moves then go down a kino stage and get her more comfortable.

So you're telling me all girls are willing to have sex before you've wined and dined them?

If that's the consensus around here then that's gonna change the way I approach things.

I see some women as not giving it away unless you're in a relationship..I thought I met a girl who was like that. So when I was touching her a lot and not asking her out, she recoiled and said no I'm not easy like that.

But if you're saying all women can be gamed and kino'd into the sack without taking them out regardless of where you meet them or their personality then I've got to change my approach.

How would you have handled it differently? Right before she said she wanted to stay friends I was touching her mid-thigh area, her neck when saying something to her. This was all in class because I never asked her out (we sat in the back). How would you have escalated without asking her on a date? (Forgive my AFC'ness)

I dont mean all women can be Fclosed that easily (although some can), i meant i can do kino with any women because i know WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and HOW to touch women. I have the experience and know how.
Anyways "im not that easy" means "try harder and ill give in". You know when your having a bad day and some1 asks why, you dont say anything until like the 3rd time they ask, thats what shes doing, asking why your having a bad day (metaphorically XD)
Also know this. 80% of the time ITS NOT YOUR FAULT. It's not your fault shes not txting, its not your fault she cant hang, there are really situations where a girl is busy.
So it might not be your fault she left you hangin, her dog coulda died, her BF dumped her, her parents are divorcing, see how relationships arnt her priority now?
I've pretty much laid out how to ask a girl on a date for you here here-vp499067.html#499067

damn straight if they are attracted to you enough,
from what i read you fucked up big time, a girl gives you invites to isolation, reciprocates touch, and qualifies to you, she is more or less saying to you HEY LETS BE ALONE SO YOU CAN FUCK ME,

next time you see those things, invite a girl to your house to watch a movie, that is girl language for have sex, when watching the movie tell her to come closer, cuddle with her a bit, move your hand closer and closer on her body to her puss, start making out with her, rub her vag while you make out, look up how to deal with LMR

this should be your fucking goal man, you number close a girl, right away invite her out, your goal from that point on is get her to your house, NOT LETS FLIRT AROUND AND HOLD HANDS BRO AND NEVER KISS, she will not escalate that you can be almost sure of, if your waiting for a girl to give you signs or tell you it is ok, IT WILL NOT FUCKING HAPPEN, if she just agrees to come over to your house and she answers your damn questions about herself, SHE WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE SEX WITH YOU,

i hope this changes your view on things, the goal is get her to your house and have sex

Hey there !

I might be repeating some things that are already mentioned above but I just want to give my full opinion on this one.

Yes you did hold back for too long. Believe it or not but this is one of the biggest turn offs for women. When a guy doesn't know when to close it'll turn them off like crazy. No not everyone wants sex right away some will actually make you work for it but they sure do want k close when they give you that bag full of IoI's. You need to pick them up and convert them into a k close because , and I can't stress this enough , not picking up on IoI's is a major turn off.

On the other part of your post her saying " I'm not that easy " or whatever they decide to tell you, are all shit tests. Don't fail the test by holding back just come up with a clever response to kind of catch her off guard.

Lastly the fact that you , no offense , were getting all giggly about touching legs and touching her knees. This is very basic kino and you might not be used to doing this stuff but chances are the girl already has been through all this and more therefor it means little to nothing to her and it's just normal business leading to a close. Where again you left her hanging on for too long and she could have read this as fear, lack of social skills or any of those.

You can try to recover by calling her and telling her youre heading to somewhere and ask if she wants to tag along, but I suggest moving on now.

Its better to over escalate and calibrate it back down than it is to under escalate. A woman will forgive you for escalating to strongly but she wont forgive you for being a pussy.

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i would say your chances for sex go down after "wining and dining" her.

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so agree with this shit, PULL TO YOUR HOUSE ASAP

Interesting stuff.

Yea as many of you pointed out I am very inexperienced with women. I can attract like crazy but escalating past flirting and closing I'm horrible.

Next time I won't fuck around, I'll get her alone when I see her doing all these things and then I'll at least k-close.


Things I've learned from this: Escalate quicker, don't forget to close. Pushing boundaries is far better than not going far enough and disappointing. When I see a girl giving me IOI's, ask her to my place to chill/study/whatever, because girls will know your intentions. If she says yes, you've got a green light to escalate (so long as you're coming off as flirty and not superfriendly, cause then it will surprise her).

I think I did leave her hanging for too long, I was flirting and she does find me attractive. But me not isolating her or asking her out, at least to my place, and just "stringing her along" basically, not escalating caused her to be turned off.

But I'm still planning on seeing her this weekend. Even if she said lets stay friends, if she's giving me IOI's I'll at the very least k-close this time. I'll keep you bro's posted.

The other good thing about this is I definitely don't have one-itis. My ability to approach women has reached new levels of awesome, so I'm meeting girls left and right. I'll get better I won't be AFC for much longer.