This has always been my biggest sticking point next to kino.

This is how it usually goes.

Me: I'm doing x at x time, you can tag along if you like
Her: Sorry, I'm busy that day (does not give me an alternate day, even though she is interested in hanging out, expects me to magically know when she is free)
Me: What about x time?
Her: Sorry, I'm busy then too
Me: When are you free? (when I say this, I find that half of women will stop responding to me the moment I say this. The other half will say something like the following)
Her: I work x day, x day, and x day
Me: (okay, I'll ask her out on a day she didn't mention) So what about "x day she didn't mention"?
Her: Sorry, I have x that day as well

At this point, I feel like a bloody fool. No matter what, women refuse to take any sort of initiative with me. They will tell me when they are busy, but I have to practically bow down on both knees to get them to tell me when they are free.

Can you guys give me some advice on how to figure out when she is free and then ask her out on a Day 2 without somehow conflicting with the thousands of different events she just happens to have during the time that I want to go out? I'm seriously going to go hang myself if one more woman makes me play the "guess which day I'm actually not doing something" game.

You need to turn the tables around. Basically act like you're TOO BUSY for her.

Don't keep asking for times. The bit when she says " sorry I'm busy that day..." e.t.c
Say she's missing out on great fun and blah blah.

Talk about something else

Give her your number

Talk about something else.

If she's interested...she'll get in touch. Being not so needy is key.

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first, calm down!

if this always happens to you, then you're clearly doing something wrong. Ever thought about arranging day 2 on day 1? this way you get to arrange something, the attraction of the moment will most likely get her to comply, then it will only be rediculous if you don't ask for the number "so you can meet on day 2"...

Don't be needy or you will lose for sure. I personally would wait 2-3 days, text her randomly see how she's. when she asks what u been upto or how u r, tell her that u went out to the place u first offered her to meet u with a girl-friend of urs who asked to meet u there, she will expect u to ask her out of course, dont! leave her waiting! then ask her out again a few days later, first ask her when she's free!

good luck

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So the advice so far as been, I get a number off a day game cold approach.

1st poster tells me to, if she isn't available at the time I suggest, just forget about it and have fun and hope she calls me wanting to hang out.

Thank you for the advice, I've never had a woman invite me out before, I dunno if I'm confident enough to try your advice. If I do that, I'm pretty sure she'd just never contact me ever again. When I let women take the initiative, I find they always let me down. I must do everything to make it work.

2nd poster says to just drop the subject and ask again later. That's what I used to do. I just find that they are always busy when I suggest. I'm busy. Wait a week, suggest a time. I'm busy. Wait a week. Busy again.

Not to say your advice doesn't work, I'll try both.

how much attraction are you building in your initial interaction?

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Every woman I know does this to me. It doesn't matter whether it's a Day 2 or a close friend.

I've put up with it until now, I would only hang out with men because they were the only ones that actually returned missed calls and text messages and the only ones who wouldn't just randomly stop talking to me in the middle of a conversation.

Now that I'm back in the game, its come back to haunt me. I often ponder, outside of game, just women I'm friends with, what separates another guy friend (not even a potential interest, just a normal male friend) who they invite out to do stuff and me who I pretty much don't exist to women unless I make myself known.

lol you are talking like you are trying to get off a business deal ... stimulate them emotionally and then setup a meeting....

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April6e, i personaly like how you suggest intead of inviting. Since i decided to do that, results have been way better!
Do not let a "rejection" get on your way... turn it into a playful situation. I love to tag woman based on the impression they give me. If she tells you she is busy, then tag her as a busy woman. If you "invite" her for a drink and she plays "busy woman" i would say something like "damn... i feel like i just went to the doctor to get my blood pressure checked and he tells me "sorry, by appointment only!", but its ok, im not a big fan of doctors anyways :p". Do not insist, if she answers playfully, just throw some jokes and tell her you got to go cause you are a busy guy too BEFORE she does so. Some days latter send a message saying:
"Busy woman, walking down the street
Busy woman, the kind I like to meet
Busy woman
I don't believe you, you're not the truth
No one could be as busy as you
lalalalala...lol... how have you been?"
if she mentions being busy (what she will mostlikely do) say "you are definitely trying to run for Miss Busy Woman 2011" ... somewhere down the convo, go "i would tell you to go to one of the "time management workshop nights" at ____ (the name of the bar you want to meet up), but i assume you are too busy for that!" ... if she says "do they have those nights" (duhhh... NO) you say "unfortunately no... but if you manage to make it there it means your time management is improving ridiculously! i might even vote on you for Miss Busy 2011".
You might be thinking, "this guy Brian is ridiculous... and what makes him think she will answer to those things?" ... my friend... i dont wanna sound cocky or anything, but the fact is, im always 2 steps ahead of a girl. When i say something, i automatically imagine what possible answers im gonna get and i will automatically have a couple responses!
This is just like when you are starting a business: Your success can be determined by how good your business plan is.... BUT the most important, is to have a great contingency plan because you HAVE to know what to do if things fail! I always say... if you are gonna fail, fail in style! (Mystery said something similar)

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Yeah, I understand that I'm not exactly the most interesting guy in the world right now.

But I didn't expect women to treat you like complete and utter dirt if you don't entertain them properly. And I'm not talking about women I want to seduce. I would expect that a friend would see that they have a missed call from me and the polite thing is to eventually return it at some time to see what they wanted. That's just basic politeness. I feel like I can't even get respect from women unless I treat all of them like sex objects.

Thank you for the advice. Looking at the responses, what you guys are recommending is if she says she is busy, don't start to change the date to match when she is free. Just ask her again at a later date? And I need to get her laughing before I ask her out, even with my close female friends?

I will try them immediately, thanks again for helping me.

almost all woman are rude .. they won't return your call even if they promised - if they feel bad or they don't have the energy they will break their promise easily.

if woman do not call even when they said they would call me i simply just don't talk to them anymore , i just tell them they are rude next time i meet them.

9 out of 10 times they will say they don't know or they will say they forgot... again tell them it's rude.. i don't care if she knows it or not , it's even more rude that she's pretending she didn't promise.

never let a woman lead ... don't let the lead at all .. don't let them call .. don't be passive....

if you call girls and they don't know who you are anymore ( shit test in most cases ) just game them again on the phone - treat it like a cold approach and treat her like she has some form of alzheimer. if girls don't know anymore i pretend they have some mental disease and i am their caretaker. always be in the right state when you call a girl .. the worst state to call is when you feel attachement or too much tension.. just call some friend or some other woman you know talk a bit to get into a talkative state and then call the girl you want to date.

stimulate her emotions no matter what .. make her laugh because when most woman do not know you they were either :
not attracted enough
or they are experiencing bad emotions .. just cleaned the toilet after work etc.

if she's being rude just tell her to fuck off and hang up... sometimes i thank girls for sucking my dick and they always say '' i didn't suck your dick ''' , it's because they do know who you are and what you did.

you cannot forget meeting a person the night before and forget it next day .. it can only happen if you have a serious brain disorder.

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My dear friend, if what you call "close female friends" do not even reply when you contact them, then something is wrong... and im not saying that something is wrong with them! Idk how interesting you are, but maybe you are right when you say you are missing on that. Its not like you have to be an entertainer, but being able to entertain is a GREAT thing! Look at master PUAs: Mystery (magician); Style (even b4 he joined the community, he did comedy too), David DeAngelo (his game is based on Cocky FUNNY!), Ross Jeffries (former comedy writer) ... you see what they all have in common? Making some1 laugh is a very powerful thing. Let me tell you, i always was a very sarcastic person and i know for a fact that i can throw some jokes... but it took me a while to get confortable to joke in the presence of girls. When i saw David Deangelo's cocky funny seminar on dvd, i was like "NO WAY!... is it really ok to throw jokes at girls im trying to pick up?! I can do this... this is ME!" and i gained confidence... then i became confortable, and now i dont even exitate! If you entertain them, they will be way more open to hang out with you. When you go out, you want to get away from your routine... nothing better than having fun!

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Thanks, I'll get out there and try it.

Another more common situation I find myself in isl this always happens with women I already am acquaintances with:

Me: I'm going x, I really wanted to try x for a while, you can tag along if you want.
Woman: That sounds great, I'd love to go!

Notice how she agreed, but still is making me do all the work.

Me: I'm going x time.
Woman: Busy

Then the whole guessing game starts again, like I mentioned earlier, if I guess wrong more than twice, she won't respond back. I have a real life example for you guys if you want to critique me.

Me: It's been a while (girls name), have you been doing well?

Her: Hiii!!! Its definietely been a lonnggg while haha. The year has been pretty crazy with its ups and downs, but lately I have been doing well How have you been?

Me: Great, got back from school, so I've been recharging. I've been getting bored lately so I've been trying all sorts of crazy stuff, yoga, salsa, everything it seems.

You should come with me sometime for lunch to add to the interesting things I'm doing this summer.

Her: haha sounds good! yeah.. i've kind of been recharging when I can. I'm starting up summer quarter next week... so that'll be a little less relaxing.

Me: Sad times... but I'm guessing you are doing it to finish up faster, right? I'm jealous, I cannot wait to finish college next year.

I'm going to Jamba Juice this weekend actually, I have intense urge for a starburst flavored smoothie. You can tag long if you like; I was planning for Sat. around 1, but I'll think about delaying it if you let me know the next time you are free.

Her: Yeah... kinda to finish faster I guess. more so so that I don't fall behind!
I'm actually busy all day saturday... sorry! but maybe sometime next week?

Me: I think I can do that. Didn't you say school starts for you next week? When do you get off?

Her: Yeah, but I only have class Monday, Wednesday, Thursday

Me:Tuesday sound good, same time?

Her:gahh.. haha I forgot, not tuesday.. i have to work

Me: lol, when are you free next weekend then?



-As you can see, the moment she again said she was busy, I knew I was royally screwed. I continued to push to hang out, because I knew what was about to happen, but of course, when I try another time, I don't get a response.

She will probably never contact me back. I will have to message her again like a month from now to get her to talk to me again. This isn't a woman I picked up. It's an old friend from high school, yet I'm being treated like this. I really don't know what to do any more, this happens every time I set up a Day 2. They'll even want to hang out, but if I magically can't guess when they are free, they all of a sudden lose all interest. Yes, I am being needy by pushing after the first "I'm busy", but what in the heck am I supposed to do?

I can ask her out now, or if she says she's busy, give her a week or a month then try again, but the response is always the same.

im definitely gonna comment on that last post you made, but i want to show you something so you can see a successful real episode that happened with me. You seem very receptive and interested on "fixing" yourself. Im definitely willing to help.

BACKGROUND STORY: I added this girl on fb cause she looked interesting and we were going to the same college. She made a smart comment on a "stupid" pic i have on fb and we started sarcastically getting on eachothers throat. I couldnt find her online and she would take time responding to the comments. I realy wanted to meet this chick sooooo... GAME ON lol... and this is what happened:
(just look at the stuff in red and than if you are curious, read everything ... btw, my real name is not Brian lol so dont look it up on fb... but i will send you the link to my profile if you find that somehow helpful.)

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ME: hello hello... just letting u know that i like coffee... .

SHE: Howdy...
Hmmm I see ur birthday is coming up. Was that a hint that u'd like a new coffee maker?? :-/

ME: O_o ... I HATE UUUUU... u just killed my punch line ... i dont even know what to say now :/
well... let me go straight into the point:
I already got who will get me some coffee bean, the mugs, uhmmm... and the spoons... AHHH, and the sugar as well. I still need the coffee maker, the coffee tables... and everything else till i make my own coffee shop .

SHE: ::GASP:: U cant, cant cant hate me....ill cry myself a river and drown without my floaties
hahaha...i call coffee mints! those r a must .

ME: coffee mints ... ur the best... i knew something was missing on my list!!! ... but... uhmmm... can u still get me the coffee maker?! :/
ohh... and btw... my bday is in 35 days.... and i cant stay that long without coffee... so ... feel free to invite me for coffee ...lol .

SHE: hahaha! well me dont likey coffee. it makes me bloated plus makes ur teeth yellow, but there is an exception for coffee ice cream so u have to make sure this coffee shop of your has some really yummy ones. how about i invite u for some of that instead? hahaha .

ME: oh yeee, dont worry... my coffee place is gonna have coffee everything!!! coffee pancakes, coffee-colada, coffee hamburgers, coffee salads... u name it ...lol !!!
I would deff accept an invite for coffee ice cream... im actually hoping u desapoint me so i can show u the real deal coffee ice cream i will have at my place ... there is only 1 problem... uhmm... im a really clumsy person and i need to use a bib while i eat ice cream... so... uhmm... its your call ... .

SHE: Geezuz cant take u anywhere!!! imma have to think about that then. Let me know when u graduate from ur bib. im afraid to ask if ur still wearing diapers too! 0_0 hahaha .

ME: ahahah... to tell u the truth, i used to wear diapers so i could go out for coffee... but then i got used to it. I feel so proud of myself now that i can go for coffee without diapers
Well, if you let me know a day in advance, I will do my best practicing eating without a bib!!! i will eat ice cream for breakfast, lunch, dinner, etc... until i become the "pro ice cream licker" (*NO BIB expert class - for professionals only) .

SHE: Hahaha how about u just let me know when u think ur ready instead? Yeah that sounds better.

ME: uhmmm... miss Narvaez doesnt like to make decisions uh (minus 1 point lol). Well... if i start practicing today at lunch and dinner, i might be able to eat ice cream with no bib by tonight... using a cup and a spoon. If you prefer going some other day, i might be able to master eating those cone ice creams with no bib .

SHE: yeah i dont think i want to risk it. i have an image to maintain u know. hahaha. keep me posted on when u've graduated to no bibs. too-ta-loo! .

ME: lol... im the 1 who should be concerned with my reputation... eating ice cream with a bib :/ ... what the hell would ppl think of me?!
Well... now seriously... i practiced the whole day yesterday and im now able to eat the vanilla cone ice creams using just 1 hand, and with my eyes close, and NO BIBS ... Impressed?! ... and u havent seen me eating sushi using hashi ... i look like Bruce Lee playing with nunchuks
Just let me know when u want to test my skills. Any day should be ok with me.
Take care .

SHE: Sushi using hashi?!?! Wahhh-whattttttt?!?! Now this I gotta see
Im pretty free too. Pick a day. I could use a sushi buddy. None of my friends really like sushi so I miss out. Wanna grab some for lunch tommorow or Sunday? Let me know what works best for u, kkk?

ME: Hashi are the choopsticks, whats so special about being able to use them? lol... dont tell me u use a fork and a knif to eat sushi cause i will tell u to read the "how to eat sushi for dummies" b4 i accept ur invitation :p
Sushi deff sounds like a plan. if u wanna go tomorrow lets make it after 3. If u prefer sunday, just let me know the time and place

SHE: I know what u said fool. U must have had interference reading my sarcasm. -_-
I use chop sticks but it's been awhile so I might be rusty. I can do tommorow after 3p. Wanna do a late lunch? How about around 4p?
R u picking me up? I'm not sure where u live. I usually go to this place called Nori but if u know some other place that's good lm down to try it out. Let me know.
Later skipper!

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If you really want to improve your text game I recommend you read 'The ultimate guide to phone and text game'. It will help by leaps and bounds.
However there are a few things where you're going wrong:

1 - You're asking her out through text
2 - You're asking her straight away (within 1/2 replies)
3 - You're making it seem way more important to you than her

What you should be doing:
1 - Text her until you have some well invested replies
2 - Call Her!
3 - Make it seem like a fun activity for two.

Then when you're on the phone, ask her how she is and what she's been doing. Make this fun and then go for the invite. Always try and state what days you're busy on first and then what days you're free!

Good Luck!

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