So a long time ago I was at this outdoor mall place we have where all the local teens go from different schools. I had a gf at the time but my gf introduced me to this loose friend of hers, lets call her C whose a year younger than me (aka a junior in HS). So me and my gf eventually broke up about a month ago and a couple weeks ago I hit up C on facebook. Ran some game and she invited me to go ice skating with her on friday. I'm a bit on the short said (5'8 ) and she's about an inch shorter. I asked her if she remembered how tall I was and she said not much taller than her. I told her my height and she didnt seem bothered by it.

So I had to bring a friend for her friend so that her friend wouldnt be lonely while we hungout. So I brought this tall black kid (her friend wanted a tall guy) and even though her friend (lets call the friend A) was not 'attracted' to black guys, by the end of the night she seemed pretty into him. Anyways, about my problem I get there and the girls gorgeous, way better looking than I remembered. Maybe a HB9. Anyways, we go skating and I've never done it before. So it was a good excuse for me to hold hands with her the entire time ;P So I almost 'trip' and shes laughing and I end up pulling her in for a kiss on the ice. Goes really smooth. We talk a lot on the ice and she accuses me of being a player while we're talking, and I use typical C&F:

"I bet you use lines on all the girls"
"What, do you think I'm brad pitt or something?"
"(laughs) Yes"
"Nah, not brad pitt. More like orlando bloom though!"


Anyways out in the lobby we end up kissing a lot and shes clearly into it. I make sure to pull away first and tell her she should hang out with me soon. I tell her me and my friend gotta go and we're outta there. Most girls text me right after but she didnt, but I wanted to 'strike while the irons hot' and while she was still thinking about me. I text her "You were right...my foot is killing me!" and she says "awww sorry." and ends up cutting the conversation short a couple texts later because she had to catch up on some sleep for her drivers test the next morning and it was almost midnight anyways. Seems reasonable.


So yesterday she doesnt text me or contact me at all. Which seems weird because she was texting me somewhat often before we hung out. I held out and didnt text her even though my friends were saying she was waitingfor me to text her first. I text her this morning though asking about the drivers test and she seems kinda mad and she tells me she failed. Trying to cheer her up, I invited her to my friends' bands show on friday saying the lead singer (one of my friends) thinks her friends cute and we should all chill friday. She says she cant because she has a party. I say "Ah, well he suggested tomorrow but I'm guessing youre too popular for that? " She says she's hanging out with her prom date since they barely know eachother. So I'm not sure if shes legit busy both these days or if shes flaking.


Did I do something wrong here? The only mistake I think I made was I ended up talking about lifting a lot when we were skating but that really isnt enough to kill it I dont think hahah. She seemed pretty into me while we were there.

HOW DO I GET A DAY 3 WITH THIS GIRL!?

Seems to have gone perfectly fine, no fuck-ups I can see. (However we can only get so much from a post.)

Advice: Call her (I hardly text- takes away quite a bit of game.). Short "What's up" into getting that day 3. (Can be something small like a walk through the park or w/e.) If you get it, great! If she's still dodging you can decide whether you want to go serious and full-on ask her about it (e.g. "You seem to be dodging going out with me again.") or go a bit more playful, point is- Don't waste time! If she again rejects the day 3 you need to hang up knowing that this girl can be crossed out, and look for miss perfect elsewhere.

EDIT: You seem to have plenty of chemistry when you're face to face, so depending on her reason for dodging (whether she says it or it shines through) you can adjust the day 3 to meet her again. HB9's that are clearly into you are worth putting effort into. (My post seemed a bit pro-ditching her.)


Seems like you're pretty damn good at this little game we're all playing here, would be silly to waste time texting a girl that you're not going to see again.

Haha thanks man! Yeah, I mean not to circle jerk myself (hahah), but I thought I did a pretty decent job at gaming this girl! I mean, I didn't put her on the pedestal at all that night. Only times I complimented her were done in a joking way. (Ex: I fell, and I was like "Oh, I only fall for such beautiful women like you " in a really cheesy way. Led to another kiss)


I'm kinda worried about the height thing though :/. I'm pretty built for my size which helps with most girls getting over it, but her friend was so concerned about finding a tall guy that it makes me wonder if this girl could be the same?

I plan on gaming other chicks in the meantime, but I wanna have this girl.

Esalate escalate escalate. So what if you made her laugh. So what if you gave her a good time. Her homosexual friend can probably do better. Sexuality is key, that's where it's all at. Focus on turning things sexual. Her laughing and all that stuff is decreasing the sexual tension between you two. It's making her comfortable around you. We're not exactly looking for that in the beginning. Sexual tension is the spark a girl has to feel when you're with her to build attraction.

If I was ice skating with her there, I'd pretend as if I completely sucked at it. So I would then grab her by the hips/waist to "balance" myself. See where it's going now? And she's aware of your hands being around her waist like that subconsciously.

You were doing good, you had sexual tension going on there which is WHY she called you a player..you had the balls to escalate. You were just supposed to be a little bit more aggressive to really turn her on. At that point you could of just left with her right then and there. Isolated her in a spot..throwin the ice skates all over the place..you get the picture.

I did exactly what you said with the balance thing. Whole thing was spent holding her hand, grabbing her waist, and kissing her. I even spun the situation as if she brought me ice skating (knowing Ive never done it) with the intention of wanting to hold my hand haha. I definitely kino'd the whole night.

Problem is that you can only try so much at a crowded ice skating rink filled with her friends without looking like a creep. I wasnt sure if I was pushing it with that whole quick public makeout sesh. And I pulled away first from the last kiss too, which makes girls go nuts hahaha.

You seem very caught up on your height.

And insecure that she is busy. Don't do that.

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Its a major turnoff to some girls hah. Which is why I lift so much.


I am, I hate the feeling of being ditched. Brings me back to my AFC days. So should I chat this girl up still or wait for her to text me?

5'8 is short? Kiss my ass

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For the record... Don't text a girl so soon after and solid date like that one. Let her text you and then take an hour to reply. That way she's wondering if you like her or
not. Also you would rather her think about you and her head than to actual have a conversation with you. I say that because people expand and make things bigger that what they are in there minds. People seem that much more heavenly in our thoughts.

You did ok. All I can say is you showed a bit too much investment. Asking to hang out again without direct plans ( let's hangingout soon) clearly indicates[ " I like you" and want to see you any asap. I don't know when and where I just know want to see u]- save that for the girls.

All n all just wait it out bro. Don't text/call her anymore. She'll text you.

Haha I'm a little under 5'8 and I'm told I look 5'6.
Yeah, probably should have waited for her to text me. But I've been screwed over by waiting for that before haha.


Haha I had direct plans! I wanted her to go to my friends concert at some local venue with me but now I'm going with a different girl hahah. Found out from a fb wall post that she wasnt lying about friday so she prolly is just busy.

Yo, if she is as pretty as you said she is, why are guys so quick to MISS that she has other guys she is spending time with? Especially in this day and age, you may do everything right and she STILL has other guys she is playing. The fact she called you a playa...probably knows cause she is one too.

The Misogyny on this board is killing me; like girls can't be good players, they are treated like victims, who don't do shit behind the scenes. In this day and age girls are becoming more and more independent, doing the playing, the affairs...etc...it might just be that!

NEVER underestimate your competition...YES, they are competing with you to gain power and control (ie Frame)...come on ya'll...let's fuck em up!llolol jk on the last part.

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Haha well, shes kind of like, not socially awkward, but she acts weird sometime, and somewhat snobby. And she had nothing to do on a friday night except ice skate with her friends (why i got the invite), most of which are pretty ugly. And im pretty sure this 'party' is essentially a girls sleepover with a couple handles hahah. Not saying she couldn't get other dudes, but I feel like theres some hidden reason that she doesnt get guys. hopefully shes not crazy or something.

Idk she straight up told me shes hanging out with her prom date today so I dont think shes tryna play me. But at the same time, youre right that we assume that girls are angels when they go for the dick sometimes too D:

Update: She texted me today ~3pm saying "Hey! What's (black friend that I broughts) number? (Girl A) was asking"


Didn't respond to it. Should I?


I feel almost disrespected. Didn't text me to see whats up, just to get something out of it for her friend.

She can have mine

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