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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:06 pm 
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Is there really any way to take things further,when you cannot isolate ?
I hate this situations because either I end up building (only)comfort,or I am being put in the role of trying to "compete" for the girl.
What is the best thing to do in this situation ?


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Is there really any way to take things further,when you cannot isolate ?
I hate this situations because either I end up building (only)comfort,or I am being put in the role of trying to "compete" for the girl.
What is the best thing to do in this situation ?
It's not so much that you can't isolate but rather you haven't even tried. You're just being chicken shit that's all. Most guys tend to sit back and play chicken all night long afraid to make a move because this is their comfort zone. They sit back, joke, and try to get everybody to laugh at them as if they were hanging out at a junior high cafeteria. If you want the rewards that come with isolation, you'll just have to take a shot at it.

Just do anything like:

"Hey, I'm going to check out the bar. _______, let's go grab you something fruity." (And you just hold your hand right out) THEY WILL TAKE IT. (Or of course sometimes not!) and that's the point. You can always tell her something like, "Huh? You're going to sit here all night and keep that seat warm? Boooooring . . ." - Then you walk off to the bar and open the first girl you see. Dopey clown guys might try to make fun of you. Some girls might play along . . . but believe me. THEY ARE ALL WATCHING the guy who's grabbing his life by the balls. Guys will immediately get jealous of your BALLS. Girls will immediately scan to see what you're up to. Afterwards, you just go for another attempt as if was the most natural thing in the World.

You could do this over, over, and over again in one night with a group of chicks and end up making out with several of them . . . Sometimes, a girl will kiss and tell. Most times, they just shut up and look forward to what might be in store for them.


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What is happening when you are trying to isolate? What exactly are you saying?

If you're saying "let's go sit over there" and she's saying no, then you need to make sure you've built enough attraction and try and test her compliance with smaller things first. For example, a very early compliance test is just to move your position into a better lock-in position and see if she moves with you, or getting her to hold you drink a second, or something like that. You basically want to work your way up a compliance ladder in the same way that you work up a kino ladder. Small, trivial things first, through larger things like spending time alone with you away from her friends, to going to a bounce location, to going back to your place, to taking your big hot load right in her ass with no lube (the very top of the compliance ladder).

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Look guys,after I build attraction, I do ask girls to isolate no matter whether I fail or not.The problem is,because of the environment,I cannot isolate(let alone build attraction to do so in the 1st place).I am not talking about particular game situations,but rather social random events.Sorry for not making things clear,but take this example :
I sit with a large group of friends at like a restaurant.I can hardly talk to my target without shouting because she is too far away from my seat.Cannot move near her,sits taken.


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Ideally, arrange it so that you've approached before that, and you end up sitting next to each other.

In other scenarios, figure out a way. Simply accept that you will find a way. If you were insistent enough, you would get up from the table, walk around to her, whisper in her ear about how you were going to fuck her, and then lead her into the bathroom.

Basically, field practice will help you calibrate to do it easier, but you can overcome any disadvantage by having big enough balls.

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Look guys,after I build attraction, I do ask girls to isolate no matter whether I fail or not.The problem is,because of the environment,I cannot isolate(let alone build attraction to do so in the 1st place).I am not talking about particular game situations,but rather social random events.Sorry for not making things clear,but take this example :
I sit with a large group of friends at like a restaurant.I can hardly talk to my target without shouting because she is too far away from my seat.Cannot move near her,sits taken.
I don't get it. So you want to take your target out and stick your tongue down her throat between courses? Restaurants aren't very conducive for game. Well, there was a time in a restaurant where I slid over and # closed a girl sitting at an adjacent table. Ended up seeing her for a few months. (we were on the bench section so we were already sitting pretty close by) Usually however, you should try to be aware of your surroundings. Sometimes, social gatherings are just that... social gatherings.

Also, the mm guys tend to follow a particular order of things. Finish off a certain tier then move on to the next. It's helpful to think about the end goal of each tier as opposed to following the manual like a short order cook. You don't need to isolate after a certain phase because the invitation itself CREATES attraction. Secondly, waiting around is impractical in many situations.


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Is there really any way to take things further,when you cannot isolate ?
I hate this situations because either I end up building (only)comfort,or I am being put in the role of trying to "compete" for the girl.
What is the best thing to do in this situation ?
It's not so much that you can't isolate but rather you haven't even tried. You're just being chicken shit that's all. Most guys tend to sit back and play chicken all night long afraid to make a move because this is their comfort zone. They sit back, joke, and try to get everybody to laugh at them as if they were hanging out at a junior high cafeteria. If you want the rewards that come with isolation, you'll just have to take a shot at it.

Just do anything like:

"Hey, I'm going to check out the bar. _______, let's go grab you something fruity." (And you just hold your hand right out) THEY WILL TAKE IT. (Or of course sometimes not!) and that's the point. You can always tell her something like, "Huh? You're going to sit here all night and keep that seat warm? Boooooring . . ." - Then you walk off to the bar and open the first girl you see. Dopey clown guys might try to make fun of you. Some girls might play along . . . but believe me. THEY ARE ALL WATCHING the guy who's grabbing his life by the balls. Guys will immediately get jealous of your BALLS. Girls will immediately scan to see what you're up to. Afterwards, you just go for another attempt as if was the most natural thing in the World.

You could do this over, over, and over again in one night with a group of chicks and end up making out with several of them . . . Sometimes, a girl will kiss and tell. Most times, they just shut up and look forward to what might be in store for them.
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Yeah --- I see where the original poster is going with this. I had situations where isolation is hard or impossible..for example: You are in a group SITTING around a dinner table in a community hall (thus the room is a perfect square with no corners nor twists and turns --- everything is within visual range).

I got lucky a few once where everyone else around the table moved out to dance and left me and the HB alone but this happens rarely.

I think unless she is really into you --- it'll be hard/risky to ask her to get up and go somewhere with you (while in front of everyone).

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I can't say the OP is just a bitch lol. I've had a million situations like this where it seems hard or impossible to isolate. Your problem is that you don't know when to isolate, not how.

I was with a group of friends and we were all just talking about shit and having a good time. Eventually, I made my way towards my target so that I was having a one on one conversation with her. Slowly I kind of guided us away from the group so we were alone. If she doesn't want to be alone with you she'll say "let's go back to the group" otherwise she'll let it happen.

Just learn time and place dude. By the way, you should probably go on a high school pua forum not an adult one. This shit won't help you at your stage of the game whether you believe it or not lol. (I'm just assuming because you seem like you're in high school)

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I always suggest going outside for a cigarette, or fresh air or something like that. Infact I dont smoke and I carry a gold zippo around with me just for this stuff!


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All environments are not open to isolation. So you must calibrate your game. In your situation at the restaurant you could have used non verbal game to gauge interest. Glance her way occasionally; if you catch her eye, wink or stick out your tongue playfully. You also could entertain the table tell funny joke and interesting stories that make people laugh. Everyone at the table will looking at you and will be interested in you and SHE will WANT to sit near you. You could also ask about the girl’s relationship status to her friends at the table and perhaps they will leak the information to the girl you are attracted to and give you the social proof you need. All this requires is a personality and confidence and you will land your girl because YOU have all the tools to do it because you are a PUA! Good luck!


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