I have done the newby mission several times ( about ten ) saying 'hi' to everyone and got great responses from all manner of people,eg. older ladies, blokes, kids, etc and once from girl sitting at bus stop who didnt notice me till i said hi and then was quite warm and welcoming.
I have read the posts and realise chief says about persistence in this situation but I just wondered why the hell is it only the girls i feel attracted too who i am walking up to seem to make eye contact then look away and then make it damn near impossible to know when to say hi. They're the only ones! I dont act any different, just make eye contact then say hi so what ?
Being persistent in this situation makes me feel like a dirty old man! Is this a classic sticking point? Am I gonna get a slap for persisting on a girl who has deliberately looked away or is this the whole game point?
Do I look like a fucking rapist or something!lol

Introduce yourself after saying hi. When she looks away say something about her. Let her reply and from there just be playful and attractive. Make sure you establish you are interested through kino in the first minute after or during the introduction and you are set.

If you are having trouble keeping conversation just remember the question and statement guideline to all conversations and use your surrounds to make something up.

went out with mutt after wondering why attractive women look in my eyes then look away or just dont look at all and said hi anyway due to chiefs advice. I get the feeling they are scared or something but did get a responce from them if a bit surprised or restrained.
Will try advice from m-j-f with kino but it all seems pretty risky in case they think im gonna grab them or something as this is small town and just has that kind of vibe.

What is the simplest kino to try for a newby? And how do I know what girls to try it on now Ive got over non eye contact 'hi' thing. Is this being a wimp or what?

Best way to show you are friendly and not creepy is to SMILE when you make eye contact and say hi.

Best way to kino is to make sure you get 3 touches within a minute by touching shoulder, arm, behind elbow whilst emphasising points or laughing at jokes, NEVER looking at where you're touching.

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Don't worry about it. Just say hi anyway, a lot of girls will break eye contact. The girl at the bus stop didn't notice you until you said hi, and she turned out to be warm an welcoming right? So make eye contact, and then say hi whether they break it or not. Just make sure they hear you. You seem like you might be quite a shy guy, imagine if an amazingly hot girl came up to you? You'd probably break eye contact and be a little shy. Some girls are shy too, so don't take it personally.
Also the only way you're gonna seem like a rapist or get slapped is if she screams at you to go away and you don't (unlikely unless she's a complete bitch and is having a really bad day), or if you say something really perverted. She's unlikely to think of you as a rapist if you go in with a friendly smile and just say hi. Talking to girls doesn't make you a dirty old man or a rapist

Just a shot in the dart here, maybe it's in how you hold yourself; your stance, your posture. Perhaps you subconsciously are getting nervous right before they break eye contact and that sets off a switch in her head?

Shit! I dont know what to say about posts( many thanks for help from mjf, blondguy, Adam Thomas, and syphr!) or what to do next! Im shit scared if a HB I maybe manage to say hi to and get a response from wants me to actually be the one to instigate the next step and know nothing of what to do or say.
Then I'll hate myself for not knowing how to handle situation and miss opportunity of a lifetime. Want to know what to do.
What pisses me off is that there are some guys who do know what to do and say and get in there knickers and Im SOOO jealous. Boo Hoo!
Realise that just being able to chat to anyone is BIG first step thanks chief. If I could just abolish nerves given off (as in staring and sniling(forced) instead of relaxed smile like you say) I think thats gonna be a major point!
Anyway .. I did try the swagger and alpha smile at work today as practise and so many people noticed saying I looked happy and confident but then it seemed easy in that situation cause I was just playin about! Trouble is whats on line seems to be such a major goal it is impossible to emulate same fun free attitude in the field! What is a good thing to say to yourself when in this uptight frame to become relaxed ..do you think?

Also Im a very all or nothing guy and seem to say / react in a way that if im put in spot by a woman who I know is interested in me and says so that I blurt out something that puts them right back and off me like im agressive or something. Wish i knew what to say in that situation!

when going out alone compared with going out for a pint with a mate who you then have a laugh with and become relaxed and having fun - how are you supposed to create that same SPAM about yourself as this is the only time I feel like Im attractive to women. If on own I cant tend to stop thinking about getting a woman which then gives off desperate vibe!

You seem to be overthinking it. You're going to be nervous all the time when approaching hot women, that's never going to go away. You just need to learn to not let it bother you. I see it like this - what these girls think of me makes no difference to my life whatsoever. If she blows me out or thinks I'm weird or whatever, she's judging me after like 10 seconds of us interacting. She doesn't know anything about me at all, I'm still a great guy.

A lot of guys would say not to do this, but you might want to just mention that you're nervous to the girl. Just tell her that even though you've very nervous you had to say hi to her because she's cute, and you'd be kicking yourself all day if you didn't. People will only ever be harsh to people who are intimidating - a nervous/shy isn't going to intimidate anybody right? She'll be polite, and she'll respect you for going against it and still going for what you want. Try it mate.

As for getting into having a fun vibe? Any approach opportunity you get, for guys or girls, do it, and do it as early as possible. The more sets you avoid the harder it will be to get into a social mood, and then before you know it you just keep saying to yourself "I'll go get another beer first, then I'll approach somebody" and then just get drunk by yourself because you're too scared to approach. You get in the social mood by being social from the start.

Let go of the idea of getting a woman for a while. By the sound of it there are more things you need to learn before you need to worry about that. Just concentrate on approaching all the time, building your social skills, having asmuch fun as possible, and don't worry about being nervous. Everybody gets nervous. You will become more confident the more you do it.

Hope this helps mate

Gameon00, I have to admit, I admire you that you do the newbie mission.

I know this game stuff for about a year, and it improved my inner and outer game alot, just like my views on people and the world, my confidence and my ambition. I can flirt very well now and I'm not needy like I used to be 2 years ago, but I never learned to approach and open girls due to bad experiences, lack of approach knowledge, approach anxiety and limited beliefs, while it is vital and the only step remaining to me in becoming great with girls.
So I'm more the guy of getting to know new people by new hobbies, clubs, college, etc. I always tell myself that I should do the newbie mission and that I should open more girls. I had a plan to start with it soon.

So I wanted to say: you shouldn't care about the results. The fact that you are already doing this, while you're shy and having approach anxiety, is something I greatly respect. Keep up with this, and you'll become great.

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sounds like chief is right, learning the confidence just to say hello to women is the biggest step, so you have done well to acheive that! and since you learned that when you were at work it seemed easy, it might help to imagine your new self as version b of your old self, think of the different thoughts and behaviours your new confident self would use, and think and use them. its a bit like being an actor or being in fancy dress, and just pretend to be that new you instead of being the old you. Nobody else will be any the wiser though, because they will only see the behaviours of the new you, and they will just think that is what you are like. Then pretty soon you will become that person anyway.

hint 1. girls arent all so confident either, however they appear - we hide behind our friends and our makeup
hint 2. you have absolutely nothing to lose from keeping going, and everything to gain, so dont get demoralised
hint 3. your ultimate goal maybe the top of the mountain but for now just concentrate on the baby steps, increasing your confidence one day at a time and talking to more people, and try to see it as fun (play about like you said), because then you will relax more, plus the more you do it the easier it will get, the rest will come, being scared you wont know what to do if some HB responds and you dont know what to say should be the least of your worries tbh, maybe she will respond and it will work out great, if not then hey you gave it a shot, either way it wont be the 'opportunity of a lifetime', lots more opportunities will come along i promise!

Got to admit not many HBs walking round town where I live so I went up the road 5 miles to a posh seaside town and woa said hi to about ten of them. Most of them looked away but this is the ideal place for experience to saying hi and having convos with HBs. Went to bank and chatted for about 5 mins to clerk (ok about bank stuff) but she was about an HB8 with long blond hair and staired into her eyes (i want one!) which is slowly making me aware that if you can get past the initial nerves without them showing and find an interesting topic to talk about you can then start all this other PU stuff.
Having trouble finding stationary HBs to convo with as moving targets are harder to ask questions to! Are there any habitats that they naturally stop at sos I can practice just talking to them? (NOT BARS) During day?

yer the opener is the hardest bit. i jsut end up talking about the first thing i see when im talking to a girl because either way she is going to talk back about something after a minute or so. once she does this then you can relate to anything shes said while holding eye contact and all the other shit. then once you build some repport then just be enthusiastic to what your talking about. you will notice that when you look into ehr eyes you will feel more rushed with butterflies which gives me an edge to become a more fun guy. it really helps. if you keep it fun with yourself when doing it then basically youve got nothing to loose apart from someone that your never probably going to meet again.

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