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did these "feminist" ideas create the game?
yes,the modern version of the game was born because of that  42%  [ 11 ]
no,feminist Ideas did not opress males  58%  [ 15 ]
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Didn't mean to guilt you into anything, the way I see it is this:

If you put in positive energy, you get back positive energy. You put in negative energy, you get negative energy back out.
I know...

But male bashing forces my hand and I'm compelled to do something about it.

Besides I am a MAN. I have integrity. I can take all that negativity and persevere. It's my natural ability that no one can take from me well, unless I surrender it and be at someone else's mercy.

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Well apparently we are not going to convince you otherwise. You seem to be set in some misogynistic way for whatever reason.

Let me just tell you though - disrespect and misogynistic attitudes will never get you what you truly want, and certainly won't help you with your game.
I genuinely believe I'm right with zero doubt, and this very rarely happens. I agree that disrespecting people works against you hardcore, but when male bashing occurs in front of my eyes, I will not simply keep my tongue behind my teeth and watch.

I read all the arguments against me. They are not valid. The so called alpha females have power, only because men gave it to them. They cannot harness it on their own, they need male support.

I will step up and defend manhood even if it means sacrificing my social status and loosing friends.

I repeat everything I said in my first post in this thread.

MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN

Just think for a second... You guys became good with women (or anything else lifestyle related) because ANOTHER MAN understood your problems and showed you the way. If you took advice from a woman you'd most probably be sent on a wild goose chase.
Since when are historical facts not valid? You can't get more valid than solid fact. Your statements were fictitious... "Women have never been forced to fight in the military.", "Women have never ruled a nation." "Women have never invented anything worth mentioning."...

The funny thing is, you are being 100% hypocritical. You say that "when male bashing occurs in front of my eyes, I will not simply keep my tongue behind my teeth and watch". Well what do you think females are going to do when 'female bashing' of a much greater extent occurs in front of their eyes, such as your post?

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^ Wow, thanks for the concern, but this is my problem and I can handle it, don't you worry.

Besides you listed the handfull of women that are very heavily underlined in order to preserve female dignity. And all these women were successful because of the men in their lives. It really would be weird if people said "Men did this, men did that, men made everything" women deserve glory in order to be fair. But somebody fails to remember their role...

Name 10 GREAT rules in history that lead their nation to a golden age or at least power and prosperity. Easy right? I'll start - Napoleon, Alexander the great, Caesar... I'm sure you can even name 20 rulers with ease.

Now name 10 EQUALLY GREAT female rules. Common. I'm listening.

No woman can step even on the little finger of great scientists like Einstein, Newton, Aristotle, Darwin, Edison, Hawking, etc etc etc...

And about the military thing, men are those who fight on the front lines and face the horrors and pain of war. The women that were mentioned were just military casualties. They just made weapons and ammunition at the factories for soldiers , who did the actual fighting. Happens in every war.

And someone mentioned Cleopatra, I can't remember who. Yeaaah... she did I a really good job running Egypt.... so great that you shouldn't tell anyone about it...

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So in that long list of great men through the ages, I looked at it twice and I didn't see "fixer" anywhere on that list.
I mean I can easily say men are faster than women, but I know I can't do 100m dash in less than 11 seconds like the best women in the world, and therefore I can't personally put them down because I lack the grounds for it.

I once heard an old Swedish expression that applies really good here:

"Us oranges said the pigshit when he was laying in the basket full of apples"

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I know...

But male bashing forces my hand and I'm compelled to do something about it.

Besides I am a MAN. I have integrity. I can take all that negativity and persevere. It's my natural ability that no one can take from me well, unless I surrender it and be at someone else's mercy.
I think you misunderstood my post. My point was that your negative energy hurts other people. Certainly, you hurt yourself to a great degree, but I know you can deal with it, or you would have changed your ways. I'm asking you for the sake of women everywhere, 'cuz, personally, I love 'em. And I hate to see them get hurt, as you are likely to do, whether by accident or on purpose.

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So in that long list of great men through the ages, I looked at it twice and I didn't see "fixer" anywhere on that list.
I mean I can easily say men are faster than women, but I know I can't do 100m dash in less than 11 seconds like the best women in the world, and therefore I can't personally put them down because I lack the grounds for it.

I once heard an old Swedish expression that applies really good here:

"Us oranges said the pigshit when he was laying in the basket full of apples"
Dayumn! I like your posts even if they are against me... You have to tell me how you do that...

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I didnt massively rate Cleopatra as an amazing ruler, things only really got interesting between Rome and Egypt when Marcus Antonius showed up and then later on with the civil war after Caesers death and in the end men did most of her leg work ie overthrowing her brother, killing her sister etc etc

Anyway to the point/question of my post... Im interested to query peoples views on so called 'equality' with regards to men and women being held to different standards for the same position within employment in many job types, what are peoples thoughts on that?

And also how the judicial system favours women in custody and divorce?

While I dont agree with the majority of Fixers views he does have a point to the prevalent misandry going on in western culture today.


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Feminism is a fucking joke! This is a whole big area I have a lot to say about...

1. Women have never been forced to die in wars.

2. They are not capable of performing the same tasks men do, because they lack the ambition and devotion to do a good job at anything. This is why they get paid less.

3. Women have never ruled the world. Because they lack the physical strenght and itelligence to lead an army or a nation.

4. Remember when women weren't allowed to vote? It's because they lack the logic reasoning skills to take difficult decisions in a sound manner.

5. The only reason they need wimpy support groups (aka feminism) is because of their primal instinct of inferiority.

6. Women have never invented anything worth mentioning during the last thousand years of human history. The computer you're using, the electricity, the house you live in, the car you drive, the job you work for, the gasoline that fuels your car, the desk, the pencil, the paper and everything you use in your everyday life was invented and created by men.

7. Mathematics, philosophy, science, medicine, and all the important blocks of modern society were created by men.

8. Women provide us men with their physical beauty. Which is the only worthy talent they posses besides bearing children. If they can't do that, their worthless.


This is why you shouldn't take women seriously and let them affect your mood in any way.
Take pride in being a man and be unapologetic. Break out of the illusions women make you believe...
1. No but they have been slaughtered in wars regardless.

2. Evidence... here's a hint, it's not in your favour.

3. Plenty of succesful female rulers, and again, evidence on the intellegence Women were less likely to be in ruling positions becuase they were often not allowed to.

4. Again, evidence is not in your favour.

5. Care to make the same accusation towards African Americans?

6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

Cancer research never was important was it?

7. Becuase women were rarely allowed in the fucking lab untl 60-70 odd years ago.

8. Same has been said for men. ;)

Your statements are all either slanderous propaganda or built on logic that (literally) my 8 year old cousin has defeated.

I'm not even going to ask, why you have so much ire for women, I'm just thinking if your are going to be that way, it may be worth trying to peice together something a little thicker than drivel :/


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On the poll, whcih wave of feminsim are we talking about?

As I understand, america seems to still have remenants of second wave feminsim, which although partly needed would definatly be oppressive were it succesful.

Current feminism, and feminsim in general has been a positive for society. It's allowed sexual expression and made use of the other odd 50% of the population.


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I've been thinking about what both sides said,and i want to give my own opinion to the matter.

The truth is men are affraid.They commit a large number of suicides,i can't argue about that.But lets examine these guys for a second.Why 100 years ago there where far less suicides than now,but the standrad of living was way down.

I think because only a small percent of those are men,who really suffer from a trauma or a condition.The rest are boys.
A lot of female/male bashing has been going on on this tread,and i'm surprised of the many responsed it has gotten.
The truth is guys are loosing ground,girls are taking the power away,and we become desperate,hence the AFC.
Think of this from an evolutionary perspective,what made real men was challange,experience and conquest.We lived in times when we didn't have the time to think about suicide,because we where working 15 hours outside carying potatoes or something.We went into wars searching for the best methods to kill people.Hell,if i think about it,killing was the first thing we learnt as a species,and we didn't go "far from the tree"
So,killing mamots,surviving ice ages,and of couse the wars we created made us men,and from the begining women didn't have a choice.After killing a sabertooth tiger,would you try to "seduce" a woman?hell no,just hit her with a club.
But times have changes,and now we don't have the circumstances to become real men,because now becoming alpha is more of a choice than ever.You just buy an e-book,read on the forum,go out and act alpha.But that's not the essence!Real men can only be created from real challanges,and the problem of this world that its to safe.To easy.

We have a new enemy,and we fight in unexplored waters.We don't kill or do anything anymore(Most of us)the battles we fight are emotional,and there girls got the upper hand,not because they can use logic,but because from the first moment they see that they have power,they use it.Even if they don't want it.That corupts them,and makes them think like real men.Like they have done something to deserve that(and maybe they do,eat healthy,excercise,make up...)

We grow up,dady and momy help us do everything,we play on the computer(starcraft 2 has come out,why the hell leave the house?!)go to college,never go into a fight,because it's wrong,never talk to girls because we don't know how,and after a time,you just don't care anymore.
What then?you end up 25 without a meaning or porpouse,you got no russians to kill,no americans to kill,no animals to kill...nothing to unite us men and lead us trough difficult times.

Because in the end,a real men is defined by only 1 thing,the stories.Either he dies young and people remember him "as one crazy bastard" or lives a long life and tells his grandkids what crazy stuff he did in his teens,he has no regrets,he knows that he lived life,he succeded when others should have failed,he stood strong when other should have crumbled,and when he goes to sleep the last night of his life,he just smiles before passing over into the other side,knowing that hes life had,at least for him,meaning!

Wow i've got carried away,wonder if anybody will read this long post XD
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^ Wow, thanks for the concern, but this is my problem and I can handle it, don't you worry.

Besides you listed the handfull of women that are very heavily underlined in order to preserve female dignity. And all these women were successful because of the men in their lives. It really would be weird if people said "Men did this, men did that, men made everything" women deserve glory in order to be fair. But somebody fails to remember their role...

Name 10 GREAT rules in history that lead their nation to a golden age or at least power and prosperity. Easy right? I'll start - Napoleon, Alexander the great, Caesar... I'm sure you can even name 20 rulers with ease.

Now name 10 EQUALLY GREAT female rules. Common. I'm listening.

No woman can step even on the little finger of great scientists like Einstein, Newton, Aristotle, Darwin, Edison, Hawking, etc etc etc...

And about the military thing, men are those who fight on the front lines and face the horrors and pain of war. The women that were mentioned were just military casualties. They just made weapons and ammunition at the factories for soldiers , who did the actual fighting. Happens in every war.

And someone mentioned Cleopatra, I can't remember who. Yeaaah... she did I a really good job running Egypt.... so great that you shouldn't tell anyone about it...

Richest man in the world - Bill Gates. You are currently using his OS, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. The company that is able to compete with Bill gates, is AGAIN ran by a MAN - Steve Jobs.
Then do, please, because this problem of yours affects other people immensely. I rank misogyny on the same scale as racism, and I don't take things like this lightly.

When you ask me to "Name 10 female rulers who brought about a golden age" or something similar, you are ignorant to the fact that women didn't have equal opportunities in the past because of men like you. So, even when a female overcomes misogynistic obstacles and sits on the throne without accomplishing much more for her country, I consider that a much greater feat than a man who is born and automatically gets the throne. Any female leader actually had to WORK for that position, and every time a female led a country, they furthered humanity on the front of civil rights.

Now, whenever somebody with views such as your own comes along, you are working backwards. You are pushing humanity the opposite direction. You are not helping society, you are not benefiting mankind with your archaic and illogical arguments. It's a matter of superiority complex that needs to be eradicated. Nothing good comes from it.

Are you really using your full potential if you only use half of your brain?
No.

Do you think humanity can reach its full potential if only half of the population has rights to do so?

I'm interested to hear your answer to that.

Did you look up Hatshepsut yet? Arguably one of the most successful Egyptian Pharoahs. Here's a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatshepsut ... plishments to her major accomplishments.

About the military thing, first let me say, how do you think those men would have fought in that war if those women weren't forced to make their ammunition, weapons, clothing, food, first-aid? No army would have gotten too far.

And again you are making up false facts, you really need to stop doing that. Women have actually fought in wars before. They're doing it right now! That War in Iraq? One of the highest percentages of female soldiers in the history of mankind fought in that war.

Learn to be a little more open-minded. This isn't 1850, this is 2010. Act your generation.

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1. No but they have been slaughtered in wars regardless.

2. Evidence... here's a hint, it's not in your favour.

3. Plenty of succesful female rulers, and again, evidence on the intellegence Women were less likely to be in ruling positions becuase they were often not allowed to.

4. Again, evidence is not in your favour.

5. Care to make the same accusation towards African Americans?

6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

Cancer research never was important was it?

7. Becuase women were rarely allowed in the fucking lab untl 60-70 odd years ago.

8. Same has been said for men. ;)

Your statements are all either slanderous propaganda or built on logic that (literally) my 8 year old cousin has defeated.

I'm not even going to ask, why you have so much ire for women, I'm just thinking if your are going to be that way, it may be worth trying to peice together something a little thicker than drivel :/

Fuck you Fin for making me write. But I just have to do it.


1. Yes they have been slaughtered regardless. It sucks to be on the losing side.

2. There is a gender pay gap because every woman's resume looks like this:

Her name
Seeking - A job
Objective - Keep job with minimum effort
Skills - Can't make a fucking resume

The only tool men need to get any job done is one we already have . It's a tool we've had since birth and it's also the source of our manliest drives. It's a tool that serves many purposes and is one that women don't have and crave it constantly. This tool is responsible for the greatest achievements know to our species. It transcends generations and will have an impact on philosophy, music, and literature for all time. It's also enormously big.

This great tool is the man's brain.

3. Start naming...

4. Politics is not women's business. In most societies in the world, politics has always been predominantly a masculine business. The ancient Greeks, who invented democracy, did not allow women to vote, and only a limited number of men could vote, free citizens.

When the declaration of Independence was drawn up, few people took seriously the idea of including women in it.

The campaign for women's votes did not really take off in the USA until the mid-nineteenth century. However, many people opposed it, women as well as men. Some women thought that politics was not a suitable concern for women, the idea of 'seperate spheres' was very popular at that time, and the notion that a woman should devote herself to home and family was very widespread (of course, many women had to work from economic necessity). Politics are too much for the delicate female temperement.

5. That's something Hitler would say Fin... Weird... If racism is what you're implying I have nothing to do with it.

6. Gee, that's really nice. I now feel safer getting cancer. There will be another like her real soon... In the next 500 million women...

7. That's because you can't expect her to do anything right and in a sound manner.

8. As Mystery said, Men have greater survival value, women have greater replication value. If I cannot survive on my own and gain my own value I'm nothing. If a woman cannot provide me with replication value she is nothing.

Well, I can survive and thrive on my own if I'm successful, while an equally successful woman cannot survive on her own without other men to assist her.



Anyway, this is my opinion according to the OP's original post regarding why we have game.

Nor all men have money, good looks, talent, wit, charm, charisma, interesting stories, cultural insights, skills, athletic abilities, political acumen, macho attitudes, an ability to eat an inhuman amount of food, or other non-toxic products, a sense of style, an easy going demeanor, video games, a sweet car, a spa, or an in-depth knowledge of everything. All men, however are still men. That means they need to get laid and will always find a way.

"It's perfectly natural and perfectly manly for a man to stoop so low as to cheapen his entire gender just to get laid"

We're born with dicks and dignity , and neither can be taken away.

Does all this make sense?

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Some of the responses I've read in this thread have really shocked me, I've read these forums for awhile and what some posters here have come out and written have had me literally shaking my head in disbelief. You know it's getting bad when you're unsure if someone is actually serious or just throwing gasoline on a fire to provoke stupid arguments.

Personally, I take the plight (yes I believe this word is not hyperbole) of young men in my culture (North America) seriously. Our boys receive so little guidance on how to be men, they flounder in purposelessness and confusion, they're made to feel guilty for their desires, they're made to feel ashamed of their forefathers and of the potential for evil that their masculinity carries. Many grow up to feel lied to, as they confront a world that doesn't work the way they expect.

If you're a young man reading this thread, take a hard look at yourself and ask the question, do you hate women? Does your desire for them, coupled with your lack of self-efficacy, ignite anger and frustration in you? Do you feel like the empowerment of women threatens you, and your future prosperity?

You shouldn't brother, the empowerment of women is no threat to you, it's actually a blessing but don't worry about that for now. Worry instead about how anger and bitterness can form a wall between you and your birthright, manhood. Your hatred is like acidity in soil, it's keeping the man you can become from taking root and flourishing, it's toxic.

If you have the strength to be honest with yourself and come to find misogyny lurking in your heart, I have another challenge for you. I challenge you to set aside your frustration, your anger, and to replace those feelings with compassion, even for a moment. I don't mean thinking of the good that women bring to our lives, though it's enormous, I mean finding your compassion for your fellow human beings, your understanding for the struggle that every single person is faced with, finding a way to live and be happy.

Don't carry around hatred in your heart, it's a waste of your energy. This is way beyond getting laid, though hatred doesn't help you there either, this is about being happy.

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