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The problem with inner game based methods, like Fin and Hobbit have pointed it, is that they're naturally somewhat foreign to newbies. Most newbies get here because they have a bunch of shitty limiting beliefs that prevent their success with women.
They, as Warped Mindless has noted, are desperate to protect their egos, and so they don't want to do anything difficult like, oh, say, change their entire belief system.
As Chief has explained, they are apt to go through the "hard work"(mental masturbation) of learning tons of routines to increase their success with women.
So, now that we realize that we're all working on the same side, let's tackle the core issue: What is a practical alternative to MM that would provide an easier transition into natural game methods?
There is only one thing: an entire product about motivation. It could be a fusion of the lifestyles of different PUAs, and shows how awesome their life is. Then they talk about the hard shit that they had to go through to get to the top, and explain what you REALLY have to do to get good with women. Then awesome music plays and you have a courage wolf sequence. (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3JCRS_lprc)
If people are ready to actually become PUAs, they will respond favorably to the product. If they are the regular newbie who just wants to get laid, and doesn't want to do any work, nothing you do can shuffle him straight past Mystery Method.
Any other ideas?
I have spoken to Hobbit about what he thinks of this issue and the heart of his opinion seems to lie in the notion that MM provides a practical, step-by-step process of improvement that lets the newbie see the step directly in front of him, and that other methods supposedly don't offer this.
He wasn't too clear in terms of examples but if I were to give one from how I understand it, I guess it would be clear for a newbie who studies MM to do something like:
Step 1 - Buy new clothes
Step 2 - Use opinion opener # 1 ten times
Step 3 - Use opinion opener # 2 ten times
Step 4 - Use opinion opener # 3 ten times
Step 5 - Use opinion opener # 4 ten times
Step 6 - Use opinion opener # 5 ten times
Step 7 - Pick favorite 2 or 3 openers and practice the fuck out of them
Step 8 - Open and use neg # 1 and DHV story # 2 ten times
Step 9 - Realize how awkward that shit was and ask the forum for a better way to transition from A1 to A2
Step 10 - Get verbally abused by this asshole who goes by "Chief" who seems to hate MM for some reason
That last one was a joke but Hobbit's argument was that the methods I promoted were more along the lines of "Read this stuff and just GO DO IT" with little to no "practical" instruction.
Come to think of it, though.... That list of steps doesn't sound practical to me at all.
I think it's a lot more practical to read something like GWM, which tells you:
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The opener, as I said can just be simple a "hi", "hello", or "you from around here" ect. Introduce yourself at some point with your FULL name, first and last. People used to do this and it had a touch of class, dignity, pride and authority. Now its like, "I'm Dan, I don't have a last name I'm just Dan, I'm simple Dan ". Also being on first and last name basis is good, as she won't feel like a "slut" for having sex with some guy who she can't delude herself to think she knows. Get used to introducing yourself this way all the time and within 6 months it'll be natural so you don't have to think about it.
Source: www.gunwitch.com
Sounds like you can replace steps 1-7 in the list I made above with just:
Step 1 - Open by saying hi and introducing yourself. Always do this until you get used to it.
Then for Step 2 you can practice talking to girls while using sexual state after you open, etc. Saves a lot of time if you ask me. Which one sounds more practical to you?
Then Hobbit went on to tell me that looking for IOIs gives the PU student motivation. Positive reinforcement throughout the learning process, if you will.
Well...
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Watching for her sexual state. As you maintain your sexual state and convey it to her (as you're get to know each other), the MAIN key is watching for her to finally move into sexual state herself. THIS is when the iron is hot, and you must strike while that iron is hot. This is when you isolate her (as in lone wolf example, and in mildly unattractive woman getting guy alone example).
The keys to recognizing her sexual state coming to be are again something difficult to explain but EASY to recognize. Good explanations are: she lowers eyes and smiles coyly at you, starts to look at your crotch or touch you back sensually, gets flushed and seemingly embarrassed (soon to be bareassed), and starts to stare "hornily" at you and play with something in her hands slowly. These types of things are strong indicators. As you deal more and more with women, you'll get to know a sexual state in a woman more readily.
Source: www.gunwitch.com
Paying attention to things that are actually related to how
physically aroused she is rather than some indicators that she's supposedly pining for your high value sounds a lot more legit and related to
seduction to me. Sure, indications that she's in sexual state can count as IOIs in Mystery's book, but I'd say GW is more
practical in the sense that he's more specific as to what he's looking for in regards to state.
If you think
science is practical, Gunwitch derived his method from his studies in biopsychology and therapy (I forgot which kind, specifically). I think Mystery derived his method from Dungeons and Dragons (lol jk).
Either I didn't understand what Hobbit meant by "practical," or he and the rest of you aren't actually understanding the alternative methods I'm recommending. MM isn't more practical; it's just more commercialized and mainstream.
As for RSD, I like them and I would recommend them to anybody, but as you may have noticed I'm a little hesitant about it because of their cult-like business strategy. I guess you might be able to talk to Warped Mindless about whether or not nuRSD* is "practical."
*To clear some confusion, I'll refer to RSD as "nuRSD" because I saw some people talking about RSD in terms of their old MM-like methods instead of their actual take on "natural game."
CHAT
Wasted so much time with it.
