Someone in this industry said that 80% of guys drop out because they don't prepare openers, stacks, and escalate when they go out. They just kind of wing it, get frustrated, and quit after a few months. Well that can't be me. I just worked on these openers/stack routine for about 15 minutes. If you can offter an suggestion/advice please do. I'd like to know this stuff down cold.




Openers

Bar Setting...

1) You need to do me a favor. I think my girlfriend and I just broke up, which is whatever, but anyway she says to me something like you’re not good at hitting on girls. So what I’m going to do is hit on you for like 30 seconds to one minute. At the end of this you’re going to tell me what I did wrong. You’re going to give me pointers. OK? Can you do this for me? Are you into getting good Karma? Honestly, I’m not a douchebag and I’ll be out of your hair in a couple minutes. Here goes.

a) I like SPAM. SPAM is the greatest. You know why? You can do all kinds of fun stuff with it, for example have you ever thought of adding cinimon to it? Crazy idea right? It turns an admittedly is boring breakfast food into something rather exotic.

b) You have done yourself up real nice tonight. You look really pretty. Can I ask you how to obtain years worth of style in a few weeks? I just threw out my wardrobe, like a chick, a few weeks ago, and I go on a crazy shopping spree. I hate shopping by the way. Anyway, now I have a whole bunch of skinny jeans and white t shirts and I think I’m screwed.

c) My friend just paid me 10 bucks to come over here and talk to you. We’re going to stand here, talk to each other, pretend like we’re having fun, and then I’m going to leave. You got it?


Mall…

1) Do I look freakishly odd shaped to you? Why can’t I find any pants that fit me? I’m trying to become more of an adult so I’m putting away the basketball shorts, sweatshirts, and sneakers, and I’m trying to pick up some “adult” style clothes but nothing is fitting me. You’re kind of tall and thin. Dispense the advice…..and Now. Go.

2) Can I wear skinny jeans? Can you help me set some parameters? Who can, and who can’t wear skinny jeans? Like, not to sound like a jerk or anything, but people who are really overweight, probably shouldn’t wear skinny jeans. I would also say that men in their mid 30’s cannot wear skinny jeans. I’m just wondering if white people, who do not play in a rock band, can sport skinny jeans without looking like a total weirdo.

3) Ladies. You look kind of smart. I need to ask you some advice. I work at a restaurant with about 20 other women, and two other men, who happen to be gay. I wait tables. Anyway, a little while ago, we get this new girl. She’s like awesome. She’s super nice. She’s friendly. She’s smart. The total package. Now, I don’t know if I’m just a sleezy jerk (I don’t think I am) but I kind of get the feeling she’s, I don’t want to say flirting with me, but I kind of get a weird vibe from her. So for two weeks, I essentially act as weird as I possibly can around her. I avoid her at all costs. Then one night, one of the gay servers comes up to me and says “Jillian thinks your cute. You should ask her out. If you don’t I’ll help you out.” Later in the night, he catches both of us together and says “Jillian, you give your phone number to Nate. Nate, you give your phone number to Jillian.” I’m sorry for talking so much. I swear the story is almost over. After this point I avoid her even more. I don’t call for two weeks and then I walk up to her after work and say blah blah blah. She says “Oh that wasn’t me. That was all Bill. I actually just started talking to this guy.” Perhaps I’m a crazy person and I might be but I kind of got the feeling she was turned off by my total lack of initiative and effort. Here’s my question…Can a person in my position turn this around? Has the ship sailed?

Bar (1): This opener makes no sense, is too long, and you keep apologising for yourself.

(a): You could conceivably use this as transition material after your opener, but there's no question in there for her to ask you or you to ask her, so after you say "exotic" you've pretty much ended you thread

(b): This is a good setup, except for a few things. I would change it to "hey I gotta get back to my friends in a sec but you guys look pretty stylish so I wanted to ask how I would go about picking up years worth of style real quick cuz the other day I just threw everything out and I wanna start with a clean slate." or something. Don't EVER say "you look pretty" it's fuckin lame.

(c): AWFUL

Mall (1) & (2) You're basically saying "I'm shit at fashion, uncomfortable with my body and I have no friends to help me pick out clothes."

(3) Not only is this too long, but it's a DLV story about how you suck with women. No.

Some general pointers - the opener isn't really that important, it's more important what you say AFTER the opener. Good transition material can be a total shift to a DHV story, a cold-read or just noticing something about her (phrased as statements, i.e. "you strike me as an artistic type"... rather than "are you an artist?"), or just a funny story, which if she doesn't ask any questions about, you have a question lined up at the end, e.g. "has anything random like that ever happened to you?" The point is to try to elicit values from her and get her talking about herself and asking you questions. Your material does not leave open the possibility of many questions from her and you're not asking her anything, therefore your threads will end quickly and you'll have to keep "stacking" a lot of shit till something hopefully sticks.

A good DHV story should try to contain spaces where you can try and get something out of her. If you do, you open a new thread and can come back to your story if it gets stale. If not, you just continue on with your story until the next space. So when you're telling the story, add details like "so I was feeling quite nervous about the idea...you've been in a similar situation before right?" That gives her a chance to tell a story of her own, or say no and then you just continue with the story.

Final thing is don't apologise for taking her time, say things like "honestly I'm not a douchebag" or tell stories about being unsure of yourself, unskilled at something, or not understanding a social situation properly. These are DLVs. The point of a DHV story is to hit the attraction switches like humour, intelligence (especially social intelligence), confidence (NOT arrogance), wealth (careful not to brag!), health, female attention (preselection), large social group, high social standing, leadership, and all the rest of it.

_________________
SEX Technique Material http://bit.ly/iFdky0

FREE PDF w Openers, Date ideas and Videos on Direct: http://www.sashapua.com

I don´t want to dissapoint you, but I think the openers are horrible.

They're too long and as blondguy says, they DLV you. You should never say or show negative things about yourself.

Why taking so long to make such openers/ routines, while there are plenty of other classical, well-tested openers ready?

If you're new to this, try using existing openers first. If they work and you get more comfortable with them, you will start seeing the philosophy behind the lines and you can make openers on your own.

First, if you approach a girl or a set, it have to come across like realy spontaneous and you have to make clear that you won't bother her to long because you are busy yourself. So the first thing you say is: "hey, I am on my way to my friends, but you seem to me as experts on the matter so you should give me an oppinion on a debate a friend and I have."

Then you can start your opener:

- would you date a guy in a wheelchair?
- what is your idea of a romantic date?
- would you have a relationship with a guy who lives abroad?
- what would you do if you have a boyfriend, and he is still photo's of his ex girlfriend hanging around?
- are there a lot of girls who actively follow football? (succesfully field tested by me yesterday)

Always back these openers up with a story so you can follow up after their response. It is easier to use things from your real life, but if you can't find anything then lie if you have to.

During the opener you should be aloof and you should not hit on her. Your body(language) should not be faced to her. Only if you have reached the hook point where you keep on talking and if she is intrigued by you, then you might IOI her. Golden rule: Never show interest until she shows you interest first. Otherwise you come of ass needy.

And then you transition by an other spontaneous remark or question like:
- btw, how do you guys know each other?
- btw, my little (sister) has the same dress, where did you get it?
- ...

Have fun!

_________________
You WANT to make a change.
You CAN make a change.
You WILL make a change.

Ambitious to be succesfull => Shyler

This made me lol

_________________
SEX Technique Material http://bit.ly/iFdky0

FREE PDF w Openers, Date ideas and Videos on Direct: http://www.sashapua.com

Thanks so much for the reply. I'm going to work on this tomorrow. I thought what I had was gold. Thankyou thankyou thankyou.

I think they're all atrocious. Sorry!

Your opener/stack routine has an AFC tone of voice in them. The longer your opener is, the more you appear as trying to qualify yourself to the HBs. Keep it short but interesting, then move on to the next stage.

I need help! How do you work on these? As I said before, I'll start from scratch again, post what I have here, and see what you think. Honestly though, thanks for the feedback.

Honestly, I could only see someone even trying any of these openers or variations of these openers if they were extremely good looking and alpha. Almost like they're just gonna try a lame sounding opener just for shits and giggles, making it almost known to the target that they're just fucking around, practicing and could burst out laughing at any second.

For anyone who doesn't look like a complete chick magnet with super alpha qualities is gonna sound weird saying this stuff because the stories are simply "weird." You even say multiple times how you acted as weird as you could around a chick, you're really odd-shaped, the chick was giving you a weird vibe. You have some weird story about SPAM, etc... I mean this shit is WEIRD bro!

If I was a girl and someone came up to me and started talking about how weird everything was and how important their SPAM is to them, I would think you just got back from Iraq, suffered some serious head trauma and you and your friends ate a bunch of mushrooms 2nite!

The only one I might work on is a skinny jeans opener but I would say something like this:

Hi, I only have a second but can I get your opinion on something? I was hanging out with this real exotic looking foreign girl who I thought had a great style one afternoon. We were having a great time running around the city, we started drinking and went shopping! Yikes right? She made me try on some skinny jeans. I dunno what I was thinking! It seemed cool at the time, but should I take them back? She actually had to come into the dressing room and help pull them up on me!

You folks have no idea how much I appreciate all of this. Anyway, I figure I'd tell you a little about myself and see if this changes anything.

My ego, and inner game, is horrible. So when I say this I don't mean to come off as a douchebag. I'd say my biggest strength in this game is my looks. I'm just about 6'2", weigh 175lbs, am training for my second marathon, and lift on my off days. I have girls calling me calling me gorgeous and good looking on a somewhat frequent basis. I could be way wrong, and have some strange identity issue, but I'd say I'm about an HG8 if girls had the same system we do.

Bleh. I feel like a prick just looking at that paragraph but whatever. Anyway, my issues start the second I start talking to females. I'm pretty high energy, am super animated, and almost never get blown out of a set in the first few minutes. I'm pretty comfortable with openers as I always have a smile on my face, am pretty good about bringing in an energy just above that of the set, but everything goes downhill when the girls look at me like "OK, you have my attention, you might be fun, keep going."

* The SPAM opener is just a copy from the opener I've heard a few MPUA use which is "I like salad". The only difference is that I actually like SPAM.

PAUL VAN DYK - Here is my issue with your much improved skinny jean opener...As I said before, my inner game sucks. I feel like if I were to use yours, which I'll at least try sometime this week, it'll give off the vibe that I'm trying to impress this girl. Regarless, I'm going to try it out and we'll see how it goes.

TOAHACKNE - I don't know if I was working on my stack the correct way, but when I was writing it, I am assuming that there will be interups in the conversation. I know saying all the above, word for word, would come off as weird. Does it still come off as AFC if I'm encouraging the target to interject throughout?

SHYLER - THANKS for putting it so simply. I will focus on making my openers transition into a DHV story for myself. I never thought of it so simply.

BLONDGUY - Thankyou for putting it so bluntly. I'm scrapping it and starting over. I should have a fresh routine stack posted in an hour or so.

Gentlement, with all sincerity, thankyou. I'm getting so sick of failing at this shit so it's encouraging to hear strangers offer some much needed advice. Hope to hear from you soon.

You're absolutely right on this. I guess one thing that I'm pretty good at is inadvertent DHV's. On the fly, I can think about how to bring up my best attributes to a girl without making it seem like I even wanted to talk about it. For example, with my suggestion above, in the second sentence. I'm trying to DHV myself by saying hot girls hang out with me. Usually people think exotic foreign girls are hot so that's what I'm gonna say. You're right in the fact that it still has a good bit of "bragger" quality to it, so I'm going to maybe word it a bit differently (on the fly of how much I wanna simmer it down) and also my tone. If I wanted to tone down the "bragger" intensity of it as much as possible, I'd still mention it but do it in such a way where I say it quick, with alot of indifference, almost like I coulda cared less if that person was either a girl or a guy or whoever. Make it known to them that you really could have given a fuck less if that person was a hot chick or not (through your tone).

That, my friend is natural game rearing it's head. This may still sound pretty confusing but I can't describe it any better. The only better way would be to show you it in action live and then reenact it in the total opposite way once we're alone to show you the contrast.

As for the last sentence in my opener, you're totally right again. It has a pretty high "bragger" quality to it. I would get that DHV across by not saying it until one of the HB's in the group lead me into having me say it. I would make this happen. I would say things to try and get the HB to describe how she gets them on and describe how she has to pull them up rather intensely and vigorously. I would be taking control of the conversation (with natural game) and force this response out of one of them. After she says something like, "Oh gosh, I have to slide into my skinny jeans by lying on my bed and it takes 5 minutes," I would slightly DLV myself before I drop the DHV. I would say something like. "I couldn't get em on. I guess I must not be strong at all (DLV), therefore I had to get the girl to come help me" (DHV/hot girl in dressing room touching you). By saying it like this, the HB is more focused on why you said you weren't strong that the DHV doesn't even register right away. If you say the DLV with a cocky/funny tone, she'll eventually be thinking '''''''OK, Maynard James Keenen is probably not weak; he said that pretty jokingly. Not only that, strong or not, there was a hot chick touching him in a public dressing room'''''''' All this won't really come together for her right away to be able to call you out on your bragging. It will just sorta register over the next few minutes and it will seem like to her that you had to say it to get your point across.

If this is confusing, I understand but there's no better way for me to explain it via computer typing.