After months of reading books and going through the forum asking questions I finally put myself to the test, headed out to the wildwood boardwalk a few days ago and played the game. The good news, I got three number closes. I'm not here to talk about my good points though, I'm here to get better.

One problem I have is what to do with HB10s. I didn't open a single HB10 that night and that's because every time I saw one they would be surrounded by guys. I don't want to chase after a girl and be like all the other guys but I don't know how to be the prize if I'm just a guy like everyone else in her eyes. Any suggestions?

Also, I still have to learn how to K-Close these girls that I won't see again. Are there any good threads that could help me with this? Because number closing seems easy as hell now and I want a challenge. Thanks for the help guys.

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Nothing in pick up applies to all women. There's no such thing as rejection... they're just playing hard to get.

k-closes are hella easy after isolation.

With girls that have guys around them especially HB10s they're probably just orbiters but are only friends. Think of guys as UGs and use them to as such. In this situation the guys are there to stop other guys from approaching because she has that all the time. If you give them something ideally one or two HBs as pivots (depending on the size of the group) you can pretty much game as normal.

platina.. Considering I was at the boardwalk I wouldn't be surprised if they never met before. The situation was the girls were sitting down at pizza place on the boardwalk and the guys were surrounding them completely. It was hard to tell they were even there. But the guys were older then me so if I tried to game it would have been a huge DLV because of height and age which I think play a big factor. We had two girls with us actually which pissed me off because they were holding us back from gaming other girls. If they were hot it would have been great but they weren't haha. So how do I DHV with a group of AMOGs older then me. (Me being 16 and them being around 18)

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Nothing in pick up applies to all women. There's no such thing as rejection... they're just playing hard to get.

Vaj... Do you have any tips on how I can isolate the target? That's my sticking point

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Nothing in pick up applies to all women. There's no such thing as rejection... they're just playing hard to get.

tell them you've learnt a something really cool off a girl who your friends with and you want to show her, take her by the hand and lead her to a nearby seat or bench, run the ring routine or the cube, whatever you want