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what i should be doing next?
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suck it up and keep trying  11%  [ 2 ]
k-close instead of n-close  28%  [ 5 ]
k-close instead of n-close  28%  [ 5 ]
self improvement on my texting/story telling skills  28%  [ 5 ]
sulk and stay in my room  6%  [ 1 ]
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thx for the help , i suppose ur rite, thats as much as u can teach about body language in text format

and as for the game and prize theory, im the most picky guy i know, i dont even talk to girls who are under 8, and at this point iseriously dont care if they have psychological issues or w.e other baggage, flaws , or w/e. pussy's pussy.

btw thats a good opener, i will pm u mine , but do u have any good direct openers?
i have 2 one ofem works sometimes other 1 i learned isnt working for me at alll

my indirect opener has a 95% sucess rate, and a 80% n-close rate, but like u said n-close is useless.

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hey, i just want u to know that ur drop dead gorgeous, i just had to come and talkto u
(80%success rate initially, drops to 5% when i say gimme your number ill take you out to dinner sometimes)

hey, i know this may sound a bit random, but you'redefinitely the cutest chick ive met today, i just had to come andtalk to u
(20% initial sucess rate, feeble conversation after that. so 0%)

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You need to work on coming up with more "tools". In other words you need way more than one opener and way more routines than what you have now. Ideally you should have 5 general openers and 5 routines. That way you are not running the same game on every girl you approach. As right now that is what you are doing. One opener and one routine doesn't cut it. I know you said you try other types of openers with none of them working. That is because you are not working on improving on getting them better. You seem to just throw them out there hoping they will work. Try delivering these openers in different ways and see how girls respond to them. It also takes time to get better at PUA. You can just expect in 5 months time you be getting girls left and right.

Every girl requires a different game "plan" to get, because no two girls are the same not even twins. And because of this you need to be able to read the girls' body language to be able to form a opener that will be more suited to her. I am not going to go into all of the ins and outs of body language and how you should open this type of girl over this type of girl as that will just be miles of posts/text and I doubt you want that and I sure heck don't want to type out all of that info. I will tell you the best way to learn body language is to go to a popular public place, like a mall and watch the people go by and just see how they project themselves. You will learn a lot this way. The quicker you get at getting a general read on a girl the better off you are. Girls in general will sum you up within 30 seconds, usually they do it within 15 seconds or less. Ideally you should become that fast in reading body language because as I mentioned in my post above you need to be on your feet at all times.

Hopefully this was better for you to understand. If not let me know and what things you don't get.
Usually my opener goes like this. I walk up to a hot girl. I ask them "How much?" .

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Lol... thx.

Sometimes the girl will give me a smack on the face, but that is ok.

I just say "what the hell was that for? I am asking about how much blab blab.. (puts a smile on her face), then (a few seconds later, she will look guilty for having smack me), I go "now you owe me. Come over here, put ur ass up".

THen she smacks me again. I go "Yo, I'm just joking" jeeze ur so tense man. chill out (this puts me in power of position), then I walk off. She gets intrigued . (this shows that I have confidence & attitude " . Then bam. THe game is all my.

Atleaste this is how I imagine a good opener works. I made this opener out of air, so feel free to let me know what you guys think :D

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"hey, i just want u to know that ur drop dead gorgeous, i just had to come and talkto u"

That's the opener Alex Coulson tells everyone to use. http://succeedatdating.com/puatraining/


"hey, i know this may sound a bit random, but you'redefinitely the cutest chick ive met today, i just had to come andtalk to u
(20% initial sucess rate, feeble conversation after that. so 0%)"

These openers are very common, thus it doesn't make you stand out (assuming the girl hear this kind of opener often from guys). You want to stand out. You want her to think that you are different.

You should avoid these openers. Refer to Gambler's video.

As for reading body language, you are right that it is hard to teach through text. So refer to this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qn49oAS ... =1&index=3

Lastly, to be honest, I think verbal openers are weak. They have more negative effects than positives. I rather try "the meet by fate" illusion opener.

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Actually, dont worry about the 3 seconds rule. It isnt a rule like that. It is there to make sure you reduce AA by not thinking too much. (No, Rune, I still disagree! ;) ).

So what you really need is to stop worrying about it and stop worrying about faliure. Every set is different so you need to learn how to calibrate. If you cannot do it now, you will learn from experience. As it is now, I calibrate during my opener, I just need like 1 second to calibrate. What she looks like, how she stands and how she acts gives away a million things you can use.

I have been around for a while so obviously I have more training but dont worry, you will get it too! You just need the experience. I still use my all time favourite, the gay opener, unless I make something up on the spot.

PUA: Hey, quick question, does this jacket make me look gay or is it metrosexual?

You can read a lot from their reaction. But thats not something you can be told over a forum. You need to collect experience. There are a million signals going on all the time, like bodyposture and hand signals and shit. But if I tell you something that is true for one situation it might mean the opposite in another situation in combination with other signals. So you see, it is not easy to tell but way easier to figure out for yourself. Plus more fun too!

Hope it helps.

As for my comment above. You could also say that, yeah, if you love the game but not the prize you might not get pussy. Unless of course you get pussy and realize that it isnt all that awesome. Thats when you can afford to be selective.

Like Hobbit says: You long for sex until you have it, then you realize that it fucking sucks.

“I have been around for a while so obviously I have more training but dont worry, you will get it too! You just need the experience. I still use my all time favourite, the gay opener”

Do expand on the positives of the gay opener.
When girl thinks you are gay, they automatically frame you as someone who is not their potential partner. So by associating “gay” with “you” , it disqualifies you.
Seems like you are implying the gay opener works really well “my all time favorite”. Do expand.

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Lol... thx.

Sometimes the girl will give me a smack on the face, but that is ok.

I just say "what the hell was that for? I am asking about how much blab blab.. (puts a smile on her face), then (a few seconds later, she will look guilty for having smack me), I go "now you owe me. Come over here, put ur ass up".

THen she smacks me again. I go "Yo, I'm just joking" jeeze ur so tense man. chill out (this puts me in power of position), then I walk off. She gets intrigued . (this shows that I have confidence & attitude " . Then bam. THe game is all my.

Atleaste this is how I imagine a good opener works. I made this opener out of air, so feel free to let me know what you guys think :D
I can see getting slap for this. I can also see a girl getting confused by this as well.
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jurupa thx for the answers, but how do you read a person and know which opener to use without violating the 3 seconds rule. right now all i can tell is brunettes over redheads over blondes for day game, blondes over brunettes over redheads for night game. as well as preppy or hippy over skanky and bitchy for day game, and skanky and bitchy over preppy and hippy for night game. and the only body language i can read so far is their pose, and eye contact.
As Ezo mention the 3 second rule is for AA not for body language reading. There is a lot to body language that people don't realize. You notice the category the girl falls into, but you have yet to pick up her personality type or the mood she may be in. Those are the things you need to look for and read. Not if she is peppy or what ever because as I mention before no two girls are the same.
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btw my indiret opener has been good for all types of girls so far, some are more responsive than others .
I have a feeling you think this because the majority of girls are going to be nice to you when you approach them and not immediately blow you off. When you learn more about body language you will see your opener isn't working out as well as you thought.
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can u suggest a few direct openers or a few all purpose indirect openers that i can use?
A lot of my openers are made up on the spot as I use what is around me as an opener. I only have a few stock openers tho;

"You know its not nice to cheat." (I say this to tall girls who are wearing heels)
"Hello/Hi" (Yes I use this as an opener)
"For a girl your pretty cute." (Best use with a bit of C&F)
"To bad your too short" (I say this to tall girls)

My direct openers deal with how attractive the girl is or some part of her body that I find appealing.
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as well as a brief lesson on reading body language and making a quick plan within 3 seconds?
First off you are not going to be able to read someone within 3 seconds. I can't even do that. It takes me at the very least 10 seconds or more to read someone. Like I mention before the best way to learn body language is from people watching. I could tell you a million things about it and you only learned 1% of the topic. Go out to a mall or another popular public place and watch how people interact with each other and the environment around them.
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and as for the game and prize theory, im the most picky guy i know, i dont even talk to girls who are under 8, and at this point iseriously dont care if they have psychological issues or w.e other baggage, flaws , or w/e. pussy's pussy.
Its one thing to have standards its another thing to be unrealistic about them. I am not saying you need to go for the ugly girls. But it won't do you any harm in gaming less attractive girls.
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my indirect opener has a 95% sucess rate, and a 80% n-close rate, but like u said n-close is useless.
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so my success rate is either 1/80 or 3/80 if im counting k-closes

Not trying to bash on you, but your first post seems to make it as if you have a much lower success rate.
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hey, i just want u to know that ur drop dead gorgeous, i just had to come and talkto u
(80%success rate initially, drops to 5% when i say gimme your number ill take you out to dinner sometimes)

hey, i know this may sound a bit random, but you'redefinitely the cutest chick ive met today, i just had to come andtalk to u
(20% initial sucess rate, feeble conversation after that. so 0%)
How are you delivering these lines? Because I can tell you right now the way you deliver a line is huge. You can pretty much say what ever you want to a girl as an opener, but if you don't deliver it right you will strike out.
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Lol... thx.

Sometimes the girl will give me a smack on the face, but that is ok.

I just say "what the hell was that for? I am asking about how much blab blab.. (puts a smile on her face), then (a few seconds later, she will look guilty for having smack me), I go "now you owe me. Come over here, put ur ass up".

THen she smacks me again. I go "Yo, I'm just joking" jeeze ur so tense man. chill out (this puts me in power of position), then I walk off. She gets intrigued . (this shows that I have confidence & attitude " . Then bam. THe game is all my.

Atleaste this is how I imagine a good opener works. I made this opener out of air, so feel free to let me know what you guys think :D
I can see getting slap for this. I can also see a girl getting confused by this as well.
Yeah it is exactly what I want.

IF they look confuse, I ll just be like "it's okay. I understand your pain". make them even more confused lol. If they walk away, at least they ll be intrigued by me.

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Reading some of your posts it seems like the openers are not too complicated, but what/how do you guys follow the openers to keep the conversation interesting. This I realize is a very general question that has a very broad answer but I would like to know of some specific examples, especially from guys that f-close.

I find that approach is easy-peize, what is difficult for me is to not immediately go to friend zone. I know I am interesting, I keep my friends entertained however when approaching a perfect stranger, how and what do you guys say to keep her interests going and captivated, and at what point do you guys do the give and take approach (not sure if I am using the right terminology, from The Game) Either way, I feel that my openers are descent and most of them I come up on the spot but what happens after that needs a lot of work.

I've been using online dating mostly due to my circumstances and out of 10 Interest I send out I might get one response back. and out of all the responses I get back I am 1 for 5 for any continued conversations. I tried to convey a sense of excitement and I try to talk about my travel adventures but how do I escalate this and in what direction. Thanks guys very specific examples would be very beneficial for myself and many other posters who probably have the same question

*sorry if I am hijacking this thread!
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jurupa ,
thx for your help once again, i think i may have confused u with the success rates, wut i meant was positive responsive rates, and the 80% was number close rates, but according gunswitch 300 numbers=1 fclose so i guess 80 numbers for a f-close is normal, sad but normal. so i guess i will be taking every1s advice and stop n-closing.

not too sure about the being nice part, i cant read body language well enough to use to my advantage, but i can read enough to tell if they are trying to keep me there or pushing me away. not many people have 30 mins-3 hours to waste on a stranger during the day if they are not interested at all.

openminded, i never said those ones worked, and since i confused u all with the rates theory, its responsive rate, nothing more. cant even n-close with coulsons direct approaches, im 100% sure that im delivering themwrong.
and ur opener is even worse than these ones,
hey i wanna try you out, wanna try me out?
hey bitch, why dont u come back to my place so i can fuck ur brains out.

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jurupa ,
thx for your help once again, i think i may have confused u with the success rates, wut i meant was positive responsive rates, and the 80% was number close rates, but according gunswitch 300 numbers=1 fclose so i guess 80 numbers for a f-close is normal, sad but normal. so i guess i will be taking every1s advice and stop n-closing.

not too sure about the being nice part, i cant read body language well enough to use to my advantage, but i can read enough to tell if they are trying to keep me there or pushing me away. not many people have 30 mins-3 hours to waste on a stranger during the day if they are not interested at all.

openminded, i never said those ones worked, and since i confused u all with the rates theory, its responsive rate, nothing more. cant even n-close with coulsons direct approaches, im 100% sure that im delivering themwrong.
and ur opener is even worse than these ones,
hey i wanna try you out, wanna try me out?
hey bitch, why dont u come back to my place so i can fuck ur brains out.
"hey i wanna try you out, wanna try me out? "

Straightforward and to the point.

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jurupa ,
thx for your help once again,
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i think i may have confused u with the success rates, wut i meant was positive responsive rates, and the 80% was number close rates,
I see. You are going to have a high positive response rate pure because most girls are going to be nice to you when you open them and give you a "chance" to "win" them over.
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but according gunswitch 300 numbers=1 fclose so i guess 80 numbers for a f-close is normal, sad but normal. so i guess i will be taking every1s advice and stop n-closing.
When you don't have much experience getting one night stands your success rate is going to be low. As you haven't learned sexual game well enough to get the one night stands.
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not too sure about the being nice part, i cant read body language well enough to use to my advantage, but i can read enough to tell if they are trying to keep me there or pushing me away. not many people have 30 mins-3 hours to waste on a stranger during the day if they are not interested at all.
There is a difference between from a girl being interested in you and a girl finding you interesting. Girls stick around because they find you interesting due to your conversation skills. If they where interested in you your closing rate will be much higher. As I mention in my first post one of your problems is that you are talking way to long with these girls. As I part of your problem is you loose what ever actual interest the girl had in you the longer you talk to her and give her more time to put you in the friend zone. Next time when you go out work on closing girls within 30 minutes of meeting them, and once you close you walk away.
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“I have been around for a while so obviously I have more training but dont worry, you will get it too! You just need the experience. I still use my all time favourite, the gay opener”

Do expand on the positives of the gay opener.
When girl thinks you are gay, they automatically frame you as someone who is not their potential partner. So by associating “gay” with “you” , it disqualifies you.
Seems like you are implying the gay opener works really well “my all time favorite”. Do expand.

Do you know what the gay opener is? It doesnt look that way...

Plus, even with your misunderstanding you misunderstand.

First as you understood it... She thinks that you are gay and disqualifies you. Man, that is a good thing. Mystery talks about this at length. This is called a false disqualifier. One of the essential parts of indirect game. A way to go through the bitch shield until you can get your fluffy cannons loaded. So she thinks that you are gay. Well you are not. So false disqualifier. She thinks that you are nice, unfortunately gay though... wait, he isnt. good.


Now as I intended. The gay opener is not about telling the girl that you are gay.

The gay opener I use is along these lines:

Ezo: Hey, quick question, do you think this hat makes me look gay? Or is it cool.
HB: Yes, no, whatever.
Ezo: Yeah, because I was at another bar like 1 hour ago and this big guy, like Village people guy comes up and asks for my phone number. He didnt want to take no for an answer.

And voila, you have started a conversation. Nothing in this indicates that you are gay, only that you wonder if you look gay.

Yes, it is my favourite because I find it hilarious and it is pretty unexpected. Who would ever hit on you with a line like that? So through the bitch shield again.

Like it or love it but this baby has opened several hundred sets for me...

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“I have been around for a while so obviously I have more training but dont worry, you will get it too! You just need the experience. I still use my all time favourite, the gay opener”

Do expand on the positives of the gay opener.
When girl thinks you are gay, they automatically frame you as someone who is not their potential partner. So by associating “gay” with “you” , it disqualifies you.
Seems like you are implying the gay opener works really well “my all time favorite”. Do expand.

Do you know what the gay opener is? It doesnt look that way...

Plus, even with your misunderstanding you misunderstand.

First as you understood it... She thinks that you are gay and disqualifies you. Man, that is a good thing. Mystery talks about this at length. This is called a false disqualifier. One of the essential parts of indirect game. A way to go through the bitch shield until you can get your fluffy cannons loaded. So she thinks that you are gay. Well you are not. So false disqualifier. She thinks that you are nice, unfortunately gay though... wait, he isnt. good.


Now as I intended. The gay opener is not about telling the girl that you are gay.

The gay opener I use is along these lines:

Ezo: Hey, quick question, do you think this hat makes me look gay? Or is it cool.
HB: Yes, no, whatever.
Ezo: Yeah, because I was at another bar like 1 hour ago and this big guy, like Village people guy comes up and asks for my phone number. He didnt want to take no for an answer.

And voila, you have started a conversation. Nothing in this indicates that you are gay, only that you wonder if you look gay.

Yes, it is my favourite because I find it hilarious and it is pretty unexpected. Who would ever hit on you with a line like that? So through the bitch shield again.

Like it or love it but this baby has opened several hundred sets for me...
Yeah. I didddd misunderstand. No wonder it didn't made sense to me at first. THanks for clarifying man.

I've heard of a similar false disqualifier opener except it was actually a disqualifier LOL. It was in one of Gambler's DVD. The opener went something like this:

Gambler say if you want to DHV yourself to the other girls in the bar?, walk up to the hottest girl (that's been rejecting everyone). and say:

"Hi, you seem like a really fashionable person. Me and my gf's anniversary is coming up in a week or so. What would you suggest i get her?"

Then he continues the conversation with her.

I probably mistaken this one with yours.

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