Dude, chill. There exists a mass of misogynistic characters in this world, the guys who go out of there way to learn how to meet woman are for the most part, not them.

Call it the game, call it courting, call it trying to fuck the hell out'a some hot piece of ass. It's all the same, so please don't take the high ground and begin to find fault in our chosen terminology. It's all too easy in this community.

I and i am sure the rest of the community are thrilled you have took the time to point out something slightly derogatory to woman contained in this forum. So from all of us here, well done.

Uhh I think the only person who made a clear and logical argument was bubblesort.

Theres no nice way of living in the game. I'm sure a lot of us do feel that going from women to women might be a moral issue, I know I do. The OP even said himself that he felt wrong in the beginning, but tried to blend in for fear of being an outcast. If you don't agree with the ideology here then don't complain about it just don't visit the site anymore and do your own thing. If your here it means you agree with what is being said in these forums and you should look to contribute instead of attacking the beliefs here. Perhaps you should make a guide called 'How to become an AFC'

Sorry but you clearly have a bias here, your opinion means nothing

vibe your well out of line saying somthing like this

I'm reminded of a post Ezo wrote.
To me this summarises alot of the moral issues people discuss about 'game', the opinions differ alot, you know why?...because your opinions will change as you spend more time in the game.

tbh theres not much more i can say, ezo summarised it very well, you can respect women and not be an AFC, IMO this is how you mature throught the course of the 'game', for most people, they have to go through all the different stages to finaly be able to have a respect and aprectation for women, without considering themselves just another AFC.

im not sure how to respond to this,guys since when was this a game?its an art and if ure going around brakeing hearts and disrespecting wemon then ure compleatly shitting all over the basis of what pua was built on.but thts just my opinion.

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~remember were not just picking up girls.were building a better life.~mystery.

You coming into a girl's life, very likely sleeping with them and then finding another women and then leaving is morally good how????

The majority of 10 girls you date and move on will be affected positively how?

Please write a post on how not to break a womens heart when you leave them for something newer that comes along. Don't spit out this B.S saying its an art. Many people enter PUA because they have had trouble attracting women and they want to know how to do it. Calling it an Art or Game makes no difference you will still leave a trail of destruction no matter how hard you try to avoid it. PUA will improve your own lifestyle but at the cost of other people's feelings. If you can't admit that then your integrity is seriously flawed and just another douche that likes to talk out of his ass.

PUA does not only improve your skills with women but your life in general.

You can have sex with many women and not be a heartbreaker, personaly to not hurt girls i sleep with, im as honest as i can be, i tell them before the Kclose 'look im not looking for a serious relationship and if you arent comfortable with that then walk away now'

This way im not lying to them and making them belive i want a relationship just so i can fuck them, if fact many of the girls i have Fclosed i still have as close friends, so i dident just fuck them and never talk to them again.

As far as leaving a trail of destruction, this isnt a good way to look at things, the way i think of it, im not and AFC and im not a PUA who will just fuck em' and leave em', and because i would still keep in contact with many of them i would definatley feel they are getting alot out of things.

If your not and AFC and annoying the ass of them and your not a jerk and still have a respect and treat them, as you would any friend, then, well.....youll be a million times better than 90% of the guys she will ever have experienced.

Now weather you leave a 'path of destruction' or not is your choice, if you fuck them making them think you want a serious relationship, thats your choice, if you never call them again, thats your choice.

Unfortunatley you dont have to have any strict 'moral code' to learn the game but weather you are a complete dick towards the girls you game or weather you show them the same common courtsy you would show anyone else is completly up to you.

'Every PUA should leave the girl better off than they found her'

...assuming we know whats best for her...we dont always, but, why not be as honest as you can and let her have have a say...IMO she would have a pretty good idea what she feels is best for her.

Kasabi makes some really good points but...If i tell the girl before the Kclose i dont want a relationship, im letting her decide if she wants to continue, some have said, no, there not willing to go further.

what im trying to say is, no i dont whats best for her, but if im honest and tell her the situation at the time....then SHE can decide whats best for her.

letting her make the choice + not being a jerk is what i generaly try to do.