If your a bit low in confidence I'd suggest you practise on the ugly ones for sex etc so that when you get a HB you won't make a fool of yourself as you will be more experienced and confident.

As for ugly girls - guys respect you more if your with a HB and thats a fact! However as Dr Hook said;

"If your in love with a beautiful woman you better watch your friends" think about it!

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He who dares wins!

That is a quote from a betamale.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

dude if you think shes ugly, leave her the hell alone, and let someone who appreciates her more have her, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

-elegance-

if an 'ugly' girl is talking to you at the club, i really fucking doubt that another girl is going to take much notice, and if she did, then she must have some kind of attraction to you.

if you're thinking whether you should have sex with the girl, close your eyes, imagine her blowing you, you get a little aroused? if yes, take her home.

and don't give a shit about whether talking to this 'ugly' girl is supposedly lowering your value.

All these other people have no idea what they are talking about, especially that chick that gives the worse advice ever. Why the hell would walking around by yourself be better than walking around with what someone considers an "ugly" chick?

If you look like you are having fun, and if you are having fun, what is the problem? I bet it will actually get more attention and make other girls wonder that much harder if you are an attractive, well dressed man walking around with a woman that most people consider "ugly". They will want to know what makes this girl special, why you are with her, and why the hell you are having so much fun with someone they wouldn't even befriend?

IT is just as good as a jealousy plot. Except it forces the other women to question their actual INNER value as opposed to the vain conceptual ideas of outer beauty. Brad Pitt walking around with an ugly chick? She must be a pretty special fucking person for him to give her the time of day. Now stop being so judgmental and befriend all girls, you never know...who that girls knows.

Very interesting!
Arguable!
But does it rely on you being good looking?

TT

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No, because as we have already covered most women don't really get that fixated on physical appearance unless they are completely vain and 17 years old. Attitude, a clean style, a little bit of financial stability, and someone who is confident enough to speak clearly, hold a conversation, and ask for what they want. Those are the qualities that can attract most any woman, not how close you resemble Ashton Kutcher.

I don't want to hook up with a chick I percieve as ugly, no matter how lonesome it gets at times. I don't mean plain, cus every average looking chick is much hotter once shes naked, or even bending over. But butt ugly ones, why would you hit that shit if youre not attracted to her? Lowing your standards will make you feel even more lonely if thats your case.

Now heres some feedback from the flipside of this. I'm somewhat a chubby chaser myself and find that when I'm happily socializing with some hot fat chick, I get positive reactions from everyone, and other regular hot women are more open to socializing with me than if I was alone. The only ones hating on it are guys who are guys who are envious that you have someone you are happy with.

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OVERALL (this might be a narrow point of view, but I'm not talking about exceptions like where you're seen with them etc. just my general OPINION), I think it lowers your value and it's better to be seen alone. You're going to get nagged with stupid questions like "who's your ugly friend?" It's not beta thinking at all, but do you really want to defend an ugly chick and attract negativity? It has greater potential to position you on the defensive.

(Fuck it, I'll include an exception) Yes, it doesn't matter what other people think if they're genuine and POSITIVE... but that's rare (finding a positive ugly chick is like finding a HB10 with actual talents other than sitting still and looking pretty). If they're a good person and don't have instant baggage with them, then it's all good, but should you really be spending that much time on an ugly chick?! What it comes down to is if the ugly chick got an "inner game" equivalent on her part to even conjure up jealousy issues.

And about having fun -- you can probably attract more girls having fun with friends (other guys/girls). An ugly chick would be a big mind fuck to other girls if (addendum to the ugly chick's "inner game") you yourself were perceived attractive to your other targets, but then you're essentially USING the ugly chick as a stepping stone... I don't know I'd draw a line there cause I would already feel bad for em' being "ugly."

Well this is a tricky area. There is definitely such a thing as an ugly girl, regardless of personal taste. Remember that some things are about personal taste, and some things are hardwired into all of us. In any case, girls know which other girls are hot. Being known to fuck ugly girls is so good. It shows that you'll take anything, and that you're desperate. However, having an ugly female friend can show that you're not shallow, and that you are socially adept. It's really great if you're going after her hot friends. But again, she and her girlfriends have to understand that there is no romantic future between the two of you, and that you're her hot male friend. This is a very nuanced area, and we on the forum don't have all the facts about the girl in question. I hope this helps.

I don't mean fuck the ugliest chick in the room if you don't want to, definitely sleep with who you want and keep your standards at a decent level. However BEFRIENDING these so called "ugly" women is only going to be beneficial to you, and to her. She has a good time, and you get to appear like a knight in shining armor because you have the decency to talk to someone for other reasons besides their physical beauty.
Women use all men as stepping stones, they understand this concept. If this chick really is as lonely and ugly as you say she is simply going to be thrilled to have someone talking to her, someone wanting to take her out, and someone wanting to at least appear to be interested. I am not saying make this chick your girlfriend, and I'm not saying to sleep with her. I am saying building up your social circle so when you go out and you have 10 girls with you, they are all an even mix of women. Some "ugly", some "average", some "hot".

Are you seriously asking what to do if someone asked who your "ugly" friend was? I would tell that person to go fuck themselves! Seriously, get some balls dude. If you are sitting here having to defend someone you brought along as a guest to your other friends, it is probably fair to say the OTHER friends are the pieces of shit and need to be dropped from your social circle. However if anyone is ever acting rude, jealous, upset, or like a bitch. Confront them on it! This is called social skills dude, and keeping the harmony in your circle of friends is a good quality to have, and woman love a team player. Why do you think they like quarterbacks so much? Subconsciously they understand he is the one calling the shots and having the team cooperate to achieve one goal, victory. This is what women want in a relationship. TEAM WORK!
Spot on!!! I think people are confusing keeping her as a friend, and sleeping with her. If you don't want to sleep with her, don't! However there is nothing wrong with befriending "ugly" chicks because they ALWAYS have a hot counterpart, ALWAYS! This is how chicks roll.

I agree with adding to your social circle, but it's honestly a gray area cause the real uglies don't always got hot friends (it's more common in high school where they're something like childhood friends).

My main point was (you even mentioned this) that you're going to draw more negativity than positivity. Again, you're drawing negative comments from your friends (and then you add on the whole questioning your relationship with them and ignoring the possibility of ugly chick being negative). Then you're dropping people from your social circle to make a semi-circle with an ugly chick. I mean, ideally yea kick em' out if they're trash, but with my social circle - I like the people I'm currently with (and I"m sure others like their FRIENDS) so it's not as plausible realistically in my situation (just my OPINION haha).

However, I agree with the quarterback metaphor if the ugly girl is the football.

Well, I just thought about something.

Imagine that you are in a bar and there are hot girls all around.

An ugly girl comes up to you and starts talking. She knows that shes not hot and she is taking a social risk in approaching you.

You can choose to think that, hey you are below me, go away, or hey Ill be nice and talk to her for a while.

The hotties around will definately see whats going on and judge you by how you react.

Handle the situation well and they will think that you are socially acceptable. If you treat the ugly girl bad, they are gonna feel bad for her and think that you are a jerk. Its not that they identify with her so much as they feel sorry for a lesser lifeform (in their opinion). I hate animal cruelty and thats a bit of the same for a hot girl...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

LOL, nice

After reading all the replies here, hoping to find a simple yes or no answer, I discovered it's a lot more complicated than that. I've come to the conclusion that it really depends on how you as an individual treat the situation

I personally don't game girls I don't find attractive. Yes I know a few unattractive girls and I will talk to them in the club environment. It will, however, be brief, and apart from the obligatory hello hug, there will be no kino.

This post was never about sex, so the advice about practicing on ugly girls and thinking about them with my eyes closed are irrelevant (and ridiculous IMO).
That pretty much answers my original question and all the follow up ones.

The way I see it now is like this... I'm comfortable with the fact that I have female friends who may be considered unattractive. This will not affect my game or my mental state.