Yep, if you can get to this point you do not need anything else. This is what it is all about.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

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Those are some interesting points lode, when is you book coming out? First i'll admit I am no expert in this topic but I'll put my 2 cents in. When I first started learning pick up I thought it would make my life more fulfilling as I am successfuly everywhere else but I was not getting heaps of women. Once you start getting/closing women you realize that you are the only person who can make you happy not some slut in a pub.

You can adhere to social conditioning and be alpha.

An alpha is socially conditioned to lead people, in a social situation.

Having greasy hair and being smelly will not get you any people to lead, thus making you not alpha, just abnormal.

this is what im saying .. but i try to say it in depth.. you don't need to workout and have a new haircut to be the SHIT ... you don't need money to BE THE SHIT. Being the shit isn't being materialistic ... it's a thought a simple mindset.
being conditioned to lead ... leading other people doesn't mean you can lead yourself with other people. Leading is bullshit and superficial to my opinion .. in the army ( few years later i got the job ) i've gone to clubs with officers and people of even higher rank who are '' conditioned to lead'' .... they were nothing in the club, they were not alpha at all but they are trained to lead, those guys hang around me because i was good with woman and they tried to get value from me. being good in the club but sucking at life is stupid as well so no judgements here.

In which enviroment or scenario are you conditioned to lead and be alpha ? You are only a leader if other people project that role on you, a leader is someone who lead people.... i say fuck that .. i lead myself and i don't need people to project a certain role on me. The real leader doesn't need other people to tell him he's a leader because he knows. If your good with woman in a club or on the street doesn't mean your a leader or alpha at all , it only makes you alpha in a certain scenario. im not saying you shouldn't be presentable, i just gone out looking like shit just to test what it's about , doesn't mean im not presentable - im just fine with how i look and i don't care what other people think of it - i don't wear armani stuff and i don't have stylized hair and still pulled hot girls out of the club.
who says an alpha / leader should wear armani anyway ? people in this society gives so much value and credit to people who don't do shit. if you are a alpha or leader in society you have to imitate the image that society gives to a leader, simple as that.

Social conditioning isn't bad ... i mean im glad i can read books about medical issues and read what's up with nuclear missile programs. however most of it is bad , most social conditioning is bad - you have to make it work for you and not against you.

i was expecting someone to defend and tell me my energy was negative.... however i like to debate.

First of all i don't read text literally .. i always try to find out the underlying context - why people do something and what they really mean unconcious or concious.
it comes out when i think it's good enough, im still learning new things and i want to include as much as possible. This book have nothing to do with gaming or PUA, it's just about one topic : social conditioning in relationships. Im not talking here to promote it because i talk about gaming in general here.
You are judging and telling me im invalid ? i told you it's my opinion and it's completely subjective, there is no good or wrong. Just like my bad experiences - i don't stamp them like they were bad because i learned from it thus it's very good ! You can't clarify me because you walked a different path, however i like suggestions so . well you certainly put a alpha label on it.... Yes a good body will help .... but it isn't a decisive factor, some guys are ripped and look very good but they don't get girls. even if they go to a girl , if the conversation is boring she will reject him. I was athlete for many years until i got a very serious injury , i was getting more skinny and less mascular - still , my skill with woman was increasing and it was only getting better. Thus from experience ... looking good doesn't mean shit - yes it can help if you believe it helps . i even stole girls from other player guys who were very good looking. how many ''so called PUA'' guys are not and still succesfull with girls ? like the guys from RSD ... they are not tall , not mascular .... look at neill strauss ... he's bald ....

you know what it is ... you always have a mutation .. a percentage of girls that will like bald , mascular , nerds. You have always 2 % of girls that like whatever weird combination you can think of , you have girls that only like guys with money but do realize if you meet 5 girls in las vegas that like money only - does that mean all girls will like guys with money ?
however the 98 % is totally different they only look at subconcious social cues that is often discussed in books about evolutionary biology.
some 23 year old woman like young guys that are 16 and some 16 year old woman like guys of 23. You have even girls that like chodes/afc guys , that's the reason why AFC guys or chodes sometimes get hot girls.
all billboards and magazine tells you that if you want girls you should be good looking... a limiting believe .. really. isn't it the same ? yes but do realize im not good looking , i don't have alot of money and i don't have a good hairstyle . girls often respond to subsocial cues like - knowing what you want and what you value -this is alpha.
it worked for you ... that's my point, that doesn't mean it will work for other people. don't sarge for 2 months and don't make extended contact with woman for 2 months - if you still have AA there's something wrong. I did all those things you did and for me it worked yes but more like a bandage , because i was so bussy with alot of stuff i didn't go out for a long time and i noticed my AA returning. My AA was returning because it was never solved - i just put a bandage on there with some swirly PUA game. your point is totally subjective.
they never gotten external validation because they probably didn't realize it , most psychology is unconcious / subconcious. look i said if you want to game that's fine , in my whole thread im saying you should do what you like and don't give a fuck about what other people think of you.
When you are 50 years old or younger and you are about to die from some disease , do you want to spend the time on your deathbed thinking about how many cokes whores you Kclosed / number closed. my whole point is that if you use this game... which is totally floating on the ego it will never be enough. you need to lose this girl be happy , you need to sarge to be happy..... or sex to be happy, these external needs are totally created by the ego. I WANT I WANT I WANT this is the whole reason why the majority of relationships fail , look at my thread and simply think about ego and then read some posts , you will see that most people want to force their girlfriend into sex and so forth , IT'S RIDICULIOUS.
well if it's about realizing game isn't what life is about, i don't see anything in your post that discusses how gaming made life better. im serious, you only told us how shit with woman got handled, what did it do for you on long term ? did it made you more confident without needing anything but yourself , because right now you need game to be succesfull with woman.
you talk about tactics and not principles, gunwitch method MADE MY LIFE BETTER AND SOLVED ALL PROBLEMS ... dude it didn't solve all , it only solved some things concerning social contact with woman. however you preach that gunwitch method is the shit .. like a new religion. you did things that are presenting in gunwitch method. Did you gone out looking like shit like i did ? did you tried it out ? did you go out in shitty clothes a bad haircut and a unhealthy body and still pull a hot girls out of the club ? Maybe you don't believe it but you are following this second hand information.

WHen you buy a new car ... that feeling of happyness ... did you ever realized that should be a natural state ? first you should be happy with yourself and second you should be happy with other things. Same with gaming ... if gaming solves things instead of YOU.... are you just again getting happyness out of external things ? don't get me wrong i rather see people get confidence out of something instead of being all unconfident - but do realize you hit the wall someday.
if you can't pull a girl out of the club without a good haircut , ripped body, money and PUA game you are not what you think you are.
Never claimed there was a magic pill,.. yes you never claimed it ... however you swallowed some tactics presented by someone else -and somehow this guy with his method solved alot for you.
you are being totally judgemental here , judgement is a projection caused by the ego. you perceive it as negative , hoewever my intentions are very good - you miss the whole point im trying to make. if you don't want replies then don't post on the forum and keep everything for yourself.
yes i will invest the time and effort into you but not a negative way .... don't worry. yes but im not a zen master and alot of people would identify with my post out of experience.

What you actually did here is defending your reality, throwing judgements and some artificial negativity at me. You got your shit handled with woman etc .. build a new reality which is stonger - and there comes a guy who had experienced the same tested and seen it all telling you the disadvantage of those mindsets.
you are just fearing a reality breakdown , your whole ego starts defending against what im saying to you. If you read my post im telling that there is more to gaming and there is more to learn , if you see the underlying context you can see im actually complimenting you and spending my time on you to motivate you for improvements. You can't even believe the fact that looking bad will still get you woman.

let me tell something about the ego... the ego fears death... if your whole reality is build around superficiality - build around the ego, then if your reality breaks down it the same of death. the ego fears death thus instead of seeing the real good intentions and investments i made on you you start defending calling me negative and talking trough the ego...... actually all things you were saying in your reply is non authentic and from your ''probably'' from your ego. i wasn't suprised you calling me negative because i was actually expecting it. when people experience something outside their reality they are afraid , they think it's negative. Western people dislike chinese culture and vice versa because both are outside eachother reality.
ok then enlighten me with a scientific , psychological , evolutionary biologic , philosophical explanation.... i bet you even can't because you swallowed some magic pill , some tactics instead of understanding underlying principles. how many methods did you study ? how many tactics or even principles did you study ?
it's only negative if you think it's negative ... you only label me negative because im a threath to your reality. actually i never judged in my my post and never said anything about who is wrong or right , you are negative yourself.... before you point fingers look at yourself because people who challenge your reality always will get the blame - you don't take it so you point fingers...... you are the first one to judge.... not me.

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Lode-

this will be my last reply.

You make some valid points but many of your assumptions are wrong.

Ill shorten my thesis to fit some of the criticisms you threw at me:

Reading the gunwitch method simply made me understand that all girls want to fuck just as much as guys. The more confident you are with yourself, the more you seem as a suitable mate for women.

I simply listed the ways I went about building my confidence, which in turn made many aspects Of my life better. I'm not even saying it got me laid more.

Bottomline I think we can both agree on: being at peace with youself is far more important than anything else if you want to improve your game with females.

ok

you also make some valid points but i don't make assumptions that are not based on experience.
this is an assumption , not all girls want to fuck as much as guys. most people don't go to clubs at night because they don't need to get attention or dont need to get laid , of course there are lotsa reasons why people don't go out.

Reading the gunwitch method made you understand ... never make assumptions and experience it before adopting something. Even making on assumptions based on short-lived-experience is wrong , if you get rejected by 3 girls doesn't mean girls won't like you... experiencing multiple times and then make a belief - don't test something 10 times .. test it 100 times.
if all girls only want to fuck or fuck as much like guys they would pickup guys as well, and some do at night clubs but most girls don't approach guys at all - it's not even in their brain to fuck a guy... ''Most'' PUA guys approach a girl with the word ''fuck'' written on their forehead.
i personally believe not all girls want sex and girls don't need my sex , my belief is that they just like me for who i am.

what im suggesting is that you should go out , without using any second hand mindsets and information in your head , without using tactics or any method and see how far you get.

i agree with the bottomline you are presenting.

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How is that possible? I would like to try this, but what is my goal of the night?

That is called being AFC. Or being natural...

Until your inner game is good enough that you get away with it, then you are freestyling.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

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its not AFC.... just enjoy spontanious conversations and be in the moment
depends a bit on your goal, but try to open girls without deluxe openers.
if you are 100 % confident about yourself your body language and voice tonality will adapt the right way - to confidence - you will subconciously communicate confidence.
yesterday i opened a 3 set , i just approached one girl and told her i want to talk to her because i think she's cute. She totally opened up even tho i was leaning in and wasn't really using PUA tactics. i opened a hot girl with a AFC opener ( according to PUA world ) , tho i do not perceive it as AFC , i just have 100 % confidence in myself and don't believe things i do is AFC.

just have zero expectations and don't give a shit about the outcome , approach girls and don't used canned material. if you approach a girl just think '' how can i make this fun and awesome - im going to entertain myself.
what you see is that you don't have to use alot of PUA tactics , when i realized girls accepted my pecking and leaning in i was caring less and less about body language.
because i don't have to think much, because i don't use all that PUA stuff i can be more in state and more chill - im not drawn into my mind im unstiffled.

however people who didn't experience PUA stuff and are natural have a different understanding because altho the unconciously perform the right mindset and actions they don't have a in depth understanding. If they see a girl they want they don't know how to get her if she's non-responsive. if i see a girl i really want i take a straight natural approach and when it doesn't work i spice it up with some'' PUA ''skills like body language - push pull - canned material etc.
most guys approach a girl with so many ''PUA'' tactics and psychological tactics - it's a waste of time ... first take the straight road -freestyle/natural , and if that doesn't work you take the longer road with spicing tactics.

your goal should be... altho you should come up with your own goals :

to experience gaming without any tactics, experiencing that taking the straight simple road can wield results as well. ( it also saves time since you don't have to perform tactic x y and z)
not having any expectational mindsets like : not wanting sex or needing her number don't think about and don't ask them, don't think about sex and don't think about kiss closing. ( makes you and the person more comfortable)
Think about entertaining yourself and having fun.... everytime you approach someone think '' how can i make this more fun '' with this mindset you will get more creative and humorous. ( training yourself te be unstiffled without getting in state by using tactics)

experiencing the core ... the RAW ''you'' without any second hand layers on it.
you will learn alot from it and if you know you don't have to use tactics to get a girl your confidence will increase dramatically. because with the right mindset (you will come up yourself, doesn't matter if they are delusional or not ) you will have succes as well - mindset is probably the most important thing.
a chode is chode, not because he does/performs chode actions , a chode who perform good actions is still a chode. BEING above DOING. (same with the opposite..)

Self talk is also important ... just go out on adventure, if people ask you what you're doing in the club on your own , just tell them you are on adventure.
Act through your own intent and be congruent with your own thought and express this to other people.

above all ... you probably have done this or do this already but.. go out on your own without friends. friends will stiffle you because you will be drawn back into comfort zone by hanging with them , NO HANGING with friends , instead hang around with strangers and push yourself to be unstiffled.
if someone asks '' with who are you going out ?'' .... say '' the whole club ''... look, not everyone is a good friend but you can BEFRIEND anybody , meaning in a indirect way everyone in the club is your friends.
If you have a bad night which can happen sometimes , but if you are not in the zone do some PUA game until you get into state and unstiffled - then go natural.
if you feel like you're sucking you're wrong ... natural game sucks AT THIS MOMENT, natural game is something you need to train as well - don't get frustrated of this, you have the PUA game to back it up, just switch back to PUA game when you feel like it but do try to be natural/freestyle as much as you can.

the ''general reality '' =because you will ''probably '' use 'some ''chode'' openers as well you will ''probably'' get rejected alot , as a result the conversation with your own mind tells you alot about your inner game and how well you take it. The most dominant factor about inner game is your belief - your mindsets. Open up with complete confidence ... i mean 100 % and not 99% .., 100 % smiling and feeling good in your body - other people will feel your charisma and your sublevel of communication will be automatically more alpha.

now since you've read the above : YOU WON't get rejected , people won't reject you the word ''rejection'' isn't in your dictionary. only ''boring girls'' is in your dictionary. as far you are concerned you are the coolest guy on this planet and the face of jupiter. your openers no matter if other people think they are chode - your words are gold coming out of your mouth slapping the girls with value. Your whole Natural / inner game will be based on mindsets , if it turns out that you don't have the right mindsets with PUA game you make new mindsets.

you don't give damn what people think of you, and if they are all silent and ignoring you it's because they can't deal with your high level of energy and charisma.
YOU ARE THE COOLEST MOTHERFUCKER ON THIS PLANET... PERIOD ...

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That sounds pretty cool Lode, I'm definitely going to try out a 100% genuine approach for a while.
I like this. It's a way to be genuine AND interesting.
Couldn't agree with this more. My tactics have been about 90% freestyle and 10% PUA knowledge, I'm definitely going to give 100% freestyle a chance

Thanks for the inspirational read KarmaPolice, its amazing what daily routines can give you a great state of mind. Just reading about what you have achieved has given me an energy boost that in truth i have been needing for some time now.

Lodewijkp. It's funny, i have been reading your posts and have noticed that you give a great amount of information and clearly know allot about what your talking about, however every response you give is correctional. IDK about anyone ells but correcting people seems lower value than advising people. I would not bring it up normally its just if you are planning on writing a big publication it may help you to remember people don't like being told what to do, even if the what your telling them is 100% correct. Still, fantastic information, though, it has to be said.

good point ! ... often im just too excited and i want to help too much or want to give too much information.....

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Couldn't stay quiet on this one.

Great post Karma. I am not really comfortable with canned material and enjoy just jamming with girls, having fun and teasing and learning about them, so you post spoke to me from that point.

Lude. Nowadays every man and his dog can claim to be a writer and a lot do, especially in the community. I think this is excellent; the dissemination of knowledge is one of the most important aspects of human history and our future. But there is no way in hell people will read a full length book, self help or otherwise, if the grammar and spelling in it is as bad as in your posts. Maybe English isn't your first language and then in that case all good; publish in your L1. Additionally, sub-editors and publishing houses receive many thousands of manuscripts a week. It makes there job easy to skim off the top layer of crap by getting rid of the MS's with bad grammar and spelling. So... clean up your writing if you want to get published.

Nice work Karma.

Yes. This is so true. How do you maintain this attitude? I can come off strong like this for a good while, but have trouble maintaining it for more than a couple hours.

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I know this isn't the section for NooBs but I would just like to say, if I had laid 20 women by age 22, I would not be on the PUA forums right now.

Otherwise I enjoyed your post. Cheers.

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