I like most of what I hear coming from Sinn. He talks about breaking rapport pretty much as soon as possible. I've started learning to break rapport earlier and with great success

But in the past 2 weeks when I go in to set and rapport starts building well. I don't break it. I keep on building it. I've used very toned down negs instead to just show that i'm not necessarily 'hitting' on them.

In my 5 good sets in the past week it's resulted in 1 k-close, 1-make out, 1 F-close, and 1-hand close (haha, there's a new term for you), and one number close with a flake.

This is a pretty good sucess rate for me and I didn't break rapport intentionally.

However, these all ended up as one-day or one-night things. All but one of these girls were here on vacation, and completely lost touch when they left, not returning my phone calls, etc

Does building rapport and then closing come off as "the nice guy i hooked up with that one time" kind of thing, where girls don't want to continue the interaction?

In other words. Although 'game' still worked, does not breaking rapport set you up for buyers remorse?

what is breaking rapport? Is that when you intentionally don't go for the k-close and start ignoring them a bit, to build up tension? Cuz that works pretty well...

Sinn's theory is actually from Adam Lyons.

Basically the idea is to open, get some rapport going, and then break rapport with a neg, doing something inappropriate, or disagreeing with them intentionally. This then makes them invest in the interaction by trying to build that rapport back up again. Once you have them doing that, you have attraction.

In answer to the original post, if you managed to F-close or K-close, then you probably didn't need to break rapport because you had attraction anyway. If you number close and get a flake, then obviously she wasn't that interested in the beginning, and you might have gotten a better response if you'd done a rapport break earlier. Girls on holiday are generally easier targets because they can leave responsibility at home and go wild with not many consequences, as their friends back home won't know what (or who) they did, so they're less likely to put up anti-slut defences.

excellent clarification

so basically, breaking rapport is a specific mechanism to get to attraction. okay

**update** the girl who flaked on me actually texted me today. saying that she'll take a rain check on getting together until she gets back in to town (she's going back to Europe for a while). This is 2 days later and shows me that she still has some attraction for me, however, she didnt respond back to me when I gave a C&F reply to her. and i have no idea why.

(I think the reason she regained this attration was that she saw me out with another girl yesterday. she didn't say anything, but I know she saw me. goes to show the power of jelousy)

Never breaking rapport will end you in the friend zone.

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I didnt know there was a difference between a k-close and a make-out. In my book they are one and the same.

Crap. (with all due respect). you can still tease the shit out of her while maintaining rapport and still create attraction.

the rapport breaker 'technique' is just ONE form of push/pull.

also, the fact that she is trying to regain rapport once youve broken it will not necessarily create attraction, it is more of an indicator that there IS attraction/interest already as she is now starting to work. If anything it may re-enforce attraction as she will backward rationalize to herself that because she is now investing in you and doing the work, she MUST like you.

The k-close was just kisses. the make out was a full-on session of making out on the bed for half an hour. That's the difference

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so you're saying that breaking rapport does not generate attraction, instead, that it tests to see if there is attraction?

hmm, interesting.

so would you say that generating attraction comes mostly from DHV and subcommunication?

never breaking rapport and you end up into the friendzone ?

depends .. if the girl is already attracted from the start then there is no need for breaking rapport.

it depends on your social calibration .. if you feel a girl not ''DLV ( hate that term )'' enough you need to break rapport otherwise you end up in the friendship zone.

if you had a good game in the opening sequence you have probably enough attraction.... some cold approaches doesn't neccesarily create attraction then you need to break rapport JUST BEFORE comfort zone.
I usually disqualify and end with a sniper neg .... ( best thing to do isolated ) i usually say something like : you got something in your ear
or : you got something at your eye ( and break contact )

her action grose me out ... she really performed a DLV action which makes her feel bad , at this point most girl go seek rapport ( verbal or non-verbal ).
When she seeks rapport - FREEZE HER OUT - if she leans a little bit to you ( happens alot in college ) lean back a little bit.

when she tries to strike up a conversation again let her invest ... THE whole idea is ''bait her to invest ''
when she feels she is totally disqualified ( some people just don't talk anymore), you initiate a conversation ... that will give her a huge emotional boost. you are totally in control....

my opinion ... all these methods do give me the feeling im being a social control robot, often when i didn't create enough attention - i just befriend them and move on. the best thing to do is extracting yourself before you get stuck in the friendship zone. Getting stuck in the friendship zone is partly due low social value.

i usually hit bitches with harcore negs ( almost insulting ) because i like it.

to my opinion .. a good ''PUA :S '' can get a girl without breaking rapport ... you can do dynamic push and pull during conversations.

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rapport breaking is pretty much the same as disqualification, negging (hardcore negging)...it is simply a strong PUSH, thats all it is. once again there is too much emphasis on PUA jargon here. just think push pull....if you push, you are conveying unneedyness and that youre a challenge....hence her starting to invest and work to get you interested again. a pull conveys interest.

reasons why you go back and forth is to make her wonder what youre about and what you want....when they cannot read you, this spells challenge and THIS is what creates the attraction. if youre a challenge she subconsciously asusmes you have high value,options, followers etc etc. however you shouldnt be concentrating on WHEN to push and WHEN to pull...just be in the moment and be fun. you will find yourself doing this automatically. i have only 2 little 'rules' in my mind when chatting to a girl, and that is to NEVER FORGET TO CONTINUALLY TEASE HER, and more importantly, to FOCUS ON HER. the teasing together combined with you being your awesome and natural curious self is more than enough to get her foaming at the mouth (and foaming in other places too)...wow what a graphic picture.
stop thinking DHV. its too systematic and you will forget to be yourself. wouldnt you rather want to naturally attract girls without constantly having to adhere to a systematic process and be in your head 24/7? focus on her, be interested in her, be curious about HER, play with her, share your cool stories and aim to give HER an awesome experience. fuck trying to DHV, you should BE HIGH VALUE and KNOW youre the shit as it is, and that means being yourself to the very core. your TRUE expressive self. no holding back. put yourself out there and do what the fuck you like. it conveys dominance like you wont believe...and this means more... foaming

but ...it's so hard ...... sometimes. ... it's me who is foaming

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Hi guys.

From the first PUA university DVD set I have understood that in Adam's opinion, when a girl is immediately interested in you, you can skip the Comfort phase, not the Breaking Rapport phase.
Comfort is adding value. If a girl finds you attractive from the beginning, your value is already established.

However I also think that sometimes you can skip Breaking Rapport too.

Consider that La Ruina says in his book that Breaking rapport is optional!

If we link the two theories, we can say that Richard's Fun sociable guy and Mr. Comfort are both in Adam's Comfort phase.

However, even a safe sexual innuendo is considered as a way for breaking Rapport.