"...do you think marriage makes a person better or worse?" My group was actually talking about this when I first used it to open so using it as an opinion opener was 100% true.

"...do you think men and women can be just friends?" Every woman I've opened this with says yes. Most men answer no and I make mention of that difference with a follow up.

Mistaken Identity: Walk up to a person and give them a phony name, "Hey Tanya, how have you been?" They'll stand dazed and confused then you realize your mistake. "I thought you were my friend Tanya. She is really beautiful. I don't know how I could have gotten you two confused."

Napkin Opener/routine: I wanted to test out some new material the other night so I decided I'd try to open a set by giving a person something. It's all based on psychology. Take a bar napkin or some other worthless nondescript item and hand it to someone in the set other than the target. It's a compliance test that almost everyone passes. Tell them the napkin isn't special and that it's about how we just automatically accept things from people when they hand them to us. Ask if they've ever gotten a speeding ticket. If they have ask if they said thank you when the cop handed it to them. Tell them it's all about psychology and about how much you love psychology and ask if they want to play psychological game and lead into five question game or lead into another psychological game such as

Information Overload:

Warning! This has never been field tested but I'll make sure to do it the next chance I get. I'd love to hear someone's thoughts on it.


It's basically a riddle.

You and a friend are on a hike and you come to a gorge. The gorge is 30 feet deep, 60 feet wide, and 70 miles in length. You have only: a 20 foot ladder, a box of matches, an endless supply of rope, a pair of pliers, a candle, and some rocks and boulders. How do you get across the gorge?

The unexpected part of this is that there is too much information. Everything but the endless supply of rope is unneeded. People will develop elaborate methods of crossing the gorge instead of trying the most simple yet hidden method. With an endless supply of rope you can fill the gorge up with it till the point where you can easily walk across it.

Please give some comments and make suggestions for improvement.

Thank you

These telegraph interest.

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How so? Please explain to the newbies such as myself. Thank you:)

Both openers relate to relationships. Without anchoring properly, women will quickly realize you're interested and hitting on them.

Remember, some stranger approaching a woman is by default an awkward situation. You need to anchor your opener, which means

1) giving an explanation for why you're asking at that particular moment
2) providing a time constraint

These two things should be done without conveying that you're interested in the target (i.e., complimenting them, using a "pickup line", giving them positive body language, etc...). Ideally by the time they realize you're interested, they already are interested in YOU.

Especially when just starting out, avoid relationship-y openers without anchoring them to someone else (i.e., "my friend's girlfriend" instead "women in general").

Let me change your second opener so that it includes the two things I have stated above:

"Hey guys, I can only stay for a second, but I wanted to get your opinion on something. I was just talking with those guys over there, and they said that they're not able to be "just friends" with attractive women. I'm friends with plenty of women, and many of them I would never look at sexually -- the guys over there don't believe me."

Etc. etc..

There are even some DHV spikes in there, so even better.

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Whats so wrong about telegraphing interest?

Im just wondering because, if youre a good looking man, and you televise interest, most likely the response should be good... unless you come across as a creeper.

-fuzz

Eh, it's not about looking good with women. It's about having a good personality. If you're talking to a gorgeous girl, she gets hit on maybe 3 times a day = 90 times per month = 1080 times per year. Say she's 24 and has had to deal with this for 6 years, so that's over 7000 approaches by guys of all types. Many of them have the same lines over and over, and nearly all of them have the same attitudes ("Hey, I've got a great job, I'm handsome, I'm successful, I'm honest! Date me!"). After thousands of approaches these exceptionally great looking women start to develop reflex responses to anything that resembles an advance. They've heard it all, they've seen it all. It's your job to convey your personality and attract her before she can get her shield of rejection up -- and she'll put her shield up as soon as she thinks she's being hit on. This is why PUAs are the exception to the trend -- you don't want to be treated like every other chump before you.

If you're showing interest and getting positive responses every time, you're probably reaching for less attractive women than you could potentially get.

These are all generalizations by the way. Obviously every woman is unique, and there are exceptions. However, I think that most people want consistency, and one surefire truth about men and women is that gorgeous women get hit on ALL THE TIME.

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Opener: " What is it about you that sets you apart from the rest of the beautiful women in here?"

In my experience I notice women love to talk about themselves, and this just opens up the oppurtunity for her to tell you why she would be worth your time and attention.

This opener is slightly canned, but it is so general that it should work with no hitches...

I agree with you 100% on this, mech. The thing is, i like to show my interest because i KNOW i have the personality that everyone likes to be around.

Im the type of guy who can turn a boring situation into a fun situation. I can make time fly for people at work and keep people laughing the whole time. I know i have the personality that a lot of beautiful women like, the thing is... this usually takes about a week or two to come out AFTER i meet with them. I usually have to feel them out and see which areas are alright to NEG on and what not.

But i dont like to beat around the bush at all, i like them to know that i have an interest in them.

Is this wrong?

-fuzz

This is called being a natural. Whatever works, works. If what you say is true, you shouldn't really need much of this PUA stuff.
Yep, this is a decent one. I think I've heard "Why should I want to get to know you better?" from Style and the good ol' "Beauty is common" line from mystery.

Anything to get her to qualify herself to you is good.

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The ellipsis (...) are there for a reason. They are meant to infer an explanation and a time constraint. I assumed everyone would understand and I didn't see a need to add "I was just chatting with my friends" and "I only have a second to talk." Those are standard in every opener so they are implied.

Knowing that, do you still see them as telegraphing too much sexual interest?

i like this one, then you can tell her you are like most men. Then drop it. Later in the convo, ask her if if she wants to be "friends." That way you inform her you want to hit it with out overtly saying it. DD like.
This was on the pick up artist monday. Better dump it like a murder weapon.

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I watched that episode but don't remember that line. It's such a good line though because it can easily be modified to become your own. "I've been around loads of good looking women, so what makes you any different?" or "You're a very beautiful girl but I want to know if there's more than meets the eye (transformers FTW).

The really overexposed openers are the dental floss one, the who lies more, jealous girlfriend, et al. These need to be changed so as to avoid recognition.

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Yeah, like I mentioned in my original post, this opener is canned, but it is so general that all you do is twist it to your own style and it works like a charm.

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good points guys. can't argue with success.

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remember if the girl isn't alone, don't hang over her head, ignore her, no matter how much u want her, and keep convo with your friend. you should even neg the HB u want when she tries to say something. then after a while you an say something like "Sorry I've been neglecting your friend here, can we talk for a while, i don't have a lot of time" then isolate the target, and work your magic.

1. this will work because the HB is used to attention, and when you are not giving it to her...she will fight for it

2. you have turned her game around, now she is fighting for your attention, and doesn't even know it...this is something new for her, so she's pretty excited.

3. profit

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