when using the theory of interacting with a female on a one to one level and elevating yourself above the crowd by negging everyone around you to your target ,do you find the closing harder than if it were a normal conversation involving her in an NLP for example and if so what advice can you give

Alright. That's a pretty jargon-heavy way of asking the following: If I'm focusing on my target and ignoring/negging her friends, is it harder or easier to close than if I focus on her friends and utilize NLP?

I always suggest approaching your target first. Now, a lot of methods tell you that you should approach everyone except your target and play off her jealousy. Honestly, the latter is easier, but we're not in the game because it's easy, are we?

If you focus on your target, do not neg her friends. Engage her friends. Befriend her friends. Let them know that you're not a creepy serial killer out to take the target to a dark alley. But make it clear, through your body language and subtle hints, that your target is with you. If you can, have her introduce them to you; it solidifies this image in their heads. Every time they see you, they will think of you as "That guy with Debby."

That way, when you move to isolate, it won't come as a surprise. They're expecting it, and they're always alright with it if she is. In fact, you can even isolate all sneaky-sneaky, and they won't think a thing of it because she's with you.

And I never use NLP. If I had to sink to hypnotizing women to sleep with me, I'd just neuter myself and be done with it. I'm sure it's powerful, but I'm not in this for the power. I'm in this because it's a challenge and it's fun. ^_^

You have group theory wrong, Jamo. You want to neg your target while befriending the obstitcles.

Regarding NLP, the whole reason its good is that people can't tell. When you talk about the perfect guy, point to yourself. If you ever say "its huge" point to your cock. things like that. There are crazy NLP patterns that you can memorize, but they are a little more sneaky.

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Monkey, what about if you become so close to her friends that it seems they all want you to BE with the target more than the target herself??
this happens to me right now. the other day I took the girl to a concert and at the end of the day it was me and all her friends laughing. we weren't holding hands or any kino and I felt like a real asshole for spending money to "hang around".

now, to topic. negging friends is not good especially if you are negging the girl too!! but I did the exact opposite....damm

Honesty is the sincerest form of flattery. Is that what they say? Well honestly it's true, even if you use it for negging. Approach the set, open it by communicating directly to your target (playing on the "she's with him") and involve the friends. ALL of them. Basic stuff, but here's where negging can make or break you. Neg her while befriending the crowd and the jig is up. Why would you go out of your way to point something out about her specifically? Instead of finding a piece of lint on her shoulder or a crumb on her lip, use honesty as the sincerest form of flattery. Engage the group in a conversation, bait the women's opinions into it, order another beer and wait for the "well you started this, what do you think?". Here's your chance to shine, you didnt take the stage, it was given to you. Now you can pick and chose, "Well I agree with Sally, but Chad makes a good counter arguement. When it comes to stem cell research using aborted fetuses...blah blah blah" You use their own opiniative conversation as a negging tool for the whole group and you didnt have to look for anything physical to make them self consious. They gave you the ammo to make them feel one way or the other and better yet you set the stage for them to ASK YOU TO DO IT. This is a tactic that has been over 75 percent effective for me. As for the remaining percentage well it's easy to deal with, take it and turn it around. "Look there's no reason to get defensive, it's just a discussion, lets change the topic. I'm getting a beer." Leave and open another set (use a different conversation) or even bounce. NLP, there are certain things about it that can be used as positive builders in the interaction like getting EVERYONE in a good mood, but using it as an underhanded lay tool is a bit wierd for me.

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Just to clarify, there is nothing sneaky about NLP in general. And, NLP is simply not hypnotizing women. It's a completely separate entity. Sure, some parts of NLP teach conversational hypnosis, but I don't know why people catch on to this negative stereotype.

There's nothing sneaky, sly, negative, evil, bad or forbidden about NLP more than any other method in general. It is simply effective communication. While I'm on a rant (man, I'm on fire!), I would just like to mention that forbidden patterns have no real need to be forbidden, because the amount of PUA's that can deliver them effectively, efficiently and believably with the girl complying for the patterns to be truly dangerous, is so insignificantly miniscule that it doesn't matter. Maybe it's a commercial gimmick I don't know.

Sorry for the tangent, just had to clear that up.

As for my take on bubbgle theory, I don't believe you have to do 'either or' that method. As in you can use it in conjunction with others. But I definately think bubble theory has massive strengths.

For instance when alone you can really rinse the body language. When talking to a girl alone in a relatively crowded area, I will switch stances often. I'll lean in close and talk about happy things, then mention how some people in the world just let opportunities go passed and don't take what they really want. At this point I'd gesture casually (below the radar) to the crowd, and stand next to her (with my arm around her if calibrated, or just shoulder fucking), then change topics to people who really do just GO FOR IT, and stand back facing each other and addressing each other. You can really create two separate worlds. It's all about capturing and leading the girl's imagination. You can, in effect, hypnotize.

I recall an experience in a crowded café where I was sarging a 9 and a 7. I was ignoring the 9 and impressing the 7. At the same time I had a bubble around them. We talked for 20 mins but it seemed like an eternity afterwards - as soon as we stopped talking because one of their friends had to go, it just suddenly seemed as if everything else in the world had come back into existence - as if we were not aware of anything else, as if I had hypnotized MYSELF into a bubble...and it occurred to me how we had all been staring at each other without breath for the last 20 mins.

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