YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE AS A PUA.

You're walking in the mall, about to do some sarging, dressed in some flash looking clothes, your mood is just right, it's relaxed but engaged.

You check your watch......... .......1.00pm, the sun is out, people will be happy, perfect for day game, this is going to be a fun hour or so.

Wow! Every HB in this city must be on the streets right now!

You've got the jitters, not the ones you got in first grade when you forgot your lines at the nativity play, the good jitters, the one Axel Rose must of felt when he walked out on stage in front of those many different crowds of screaming fans.

Those women are so lucky, they don't know how much of a rush they are about to experience.

Bottle of water in hand you down the last of it, you've already spotted your first set standing outside ben and jerries.

You head about 10-20 paces to your left to dump the water bottle in the bin, however on your 8th step, you here a soft voice, not speaking to you, but to someone else. It's the tone of a secret, of a peice of plump and juicy gossip, but this peice of gossip has a malicious edge.

As you head towards the escalaters you strain your ears, only to be rewarded with the sneering comment of a girl to her friends.

"That's the guy I told you about, the creepy one who approached me in the street"

You glance over, it was her, that chick, the one who blew you out after the inappropriate remark about her bf that she mentioned in conversation.

Her friends eye's stick to you like glue, like the hot, shameful and unshakeably embarressing glue of failure.

You glance down at your watch again, your palms gone sweaty, and your bright T shirt no longer feels cool and colourful, but garish and attention grabbing.

Attention...... ...........right now that's the last thing you want.

You head for starbucks and walk straight past the girls standing outside ben and jerries.

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I'm not writing to rescue you from this problem, undoubtadly you will face this at least once.

Now from one fictional story to a factual story.... trust me, it'll make sense in the end!!

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I use to approach like mad, roughly, 12 sets a day, 4 days a week 11 n-closes average a day.

It was awesome, I was on top of my game, I could pull numbers from anywhere and I was in love with it.

However, a month or so down the line, girls were talking to their friends about me, and they were finding something out, this had happened before, to their sisters, to their friends, to their colleugues.

Now as an extra note, I dated very few of these women, I infact maybe texted 5% of them.

I lead alot of people on, and made alot of girls feel used.

And the result of that was the previous story happening alot!! Infact the last time that happened was about 2 weeks ago. I stopped doing mass approaches 6 months ago!!!

And this is one of the reasons why I now oppose the "mass practise" learning mentality.

But what hurts more, is knowing that these girls enjoyed my presence, had a great time with me, and if I had just aproached less and followed up more, I wouldn't be in the position I am now . (Don't get me wrong my social and romantic life is incredible when compared to your average 18 year old)

These girls changed thier story, I wasn't creepy, they weren't scared or laughing at me, they handed over their numbers, I have them as bebo friends and msn contacts!!

About 4 months ago I approached a two set, the first girl said "no don't talk to him he's wierd" and continued walking, but her friend stopped to answer the opinion opener. And hilariously our first girl got about 20 yards away before noticing her friend was deep in conversation with me and LOVING IT! She stormed back before grabbing her friends arm and literally pulling her away from me.

Now come on guys, it's suppose to be metaphorical to have to have women physically pulled off you

Again, the girl who I had never initially approached loved me and wanted to talk, her friend who I admittedly had acted like a dick with, wanted nothing to do with me, suddenly, "prince charming" was now "henry the basement dwelling freak"

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So here's the lowdown that I have gathered.

My approaching wasn't wierd, my transtitioning, my closing etc non of that was wierd, it was simply framed as such by the events that followed.

You know that saying?

"genious and madness are measured only by degree's of success."

Guess what, charming and creepy tend to fall into the same category.

You fail a shit test, and your smooth direct approach becomes lame and desperate.

With this knowledge, arm yourself.

Although opinion opening someone with the jelous gf routine may be weird, as well as transisting for that matter.

Knowing that your ability to charm and attract should smooth that right over.

You know you can be charming and attractive and cool and funny, so use that to prevent failure, avoid the negativity by being positivity.

And this can be applied to AA or transtition anxiety or direct anxiety, this rule applies anytime you feel that your behaviour may seem abnormal.

I don't advocate "wierdness", but recognising that exceptions are made for the charming and smooth is a huge advantage.

Thanks mate,

Ijust re-read and realized i posted my responce on the wrong thread >_<

Your right though, theres a reason why women all thrive for the "bay-boys".


We are what everybody else isnt. Theres a reason to why we sin in the first place

Cheers mate, good read this one.

Yeah, because it is creepy, isn't it? It is creepy that you are specifically "approaching" and "opening" several women with the intention of sleeping with them, or for "practice" as the case may be. It is creepy that once you are done, you go and report your actions on an internet site, where others like you approach women, and post their little exploits and doings.

It's creepy! Admit it! It is! It is!

But fear not. The only part of this big creepy conspiracy that *they* actually see is that you have in fact hit on several different women. Possibly with the same line.

You didn't know if they were interesting. Sure, they liked you, but it sounds like you didn't like all of them, which set you up for friendships gone sour. So...good post. Let's all take heed from this cautionary tale and stop using the mass approach. I've read several other people complaining about this. Guys: Don't use mass approach.

Your story reminds me of Casanova...
With girls telling their friend "Don't talk to that guy", while they secretly are intensely curious, and also make their friend even more curious.

Imagine the concept in her eyes (the friend being pulled away)
All the Questions arising within her. "Why?, What has he done? What is it about him? He's actually very attractive, maybe she's jealous" etc. etc.


It's like the tales of Casanova, where they all are so curiously attracted, but it's sort of a socially forbidden fruit.
They all want to taste, but they all tell each other that "..it's bad. You don't really want that, do you?"


Enjoy it, dude
but remember to Frame it correctly.

Being the Casanova, the Devil, the Man-Whore or whatever they may label you as in their head, they all want a taste, but they all deny it.


It's beautiful.


Your point was excellent to.
The border between creepy and suave/smooth... all depend on how consistent you are, your congruency.
Dropping the ball, you become just another weird guy asking random questions in the street.

Haha Big Bad Wolf!

I don't know if I have mentioned this but casanoa is one of my heroes, not just for women, but for his life, he was incredibly acomplished, a mathamatician, a composer, a musician, a spy, an author, a writer, an entrepenuer.. the list goes on. He played every card to his advantage and I have held him as a hero since I was 14-15 or so and I intend to live a life like his.

And I'm actually half way through implementing a couple of scheme's to work my publicity to my advantage.

Chi, you misrea me, this thread is a bit more to do with framing.

Approaching women in the street is not wierd, it is charming/romantic/ whatever. And approaching women with the intent to sleep with them is perfectly fine.

I let women know I want to sleep with them all the time, often in set.

The point is that the above CAN be conscrewed and twisted to sound creepy, how they are percieved is to do with your competance in executing them.

Clearer?

i only do mass approach when im away from home...

im singing in a competition in Disneyland next week...

you bet im gonna hit on every HB above a 7 i can find...im hoping to get at least one of them back to my hotel room

im usually very on my game when on vacation or trips...thats because theres no fear of seeing the person ever again...its awesome...

women talk...if you mass approach in your home town...women all around are bound to catch on...

thats why you shouldn't do it until your good at it...

I'm actually quite concerned with mass gaming because of this same reason. I live in a relativly small town where everyone knows everyone. It's the biggest town in my country though and if I started doing this, word would spread fast.
And to get good at it you should do it...so it's like a circle or something.

It is creepy.

If it is a sunny day why not go enjoy the sun! Have a nice drink outside. Sit under a tree. Run. Bike. Listen to some music by a river. Fish. Enjoy the beautiful day for what it is! Nope. Instead you act like a desperate horny dork and make a fool of yourself.

The day that you realize that you don't need a broad is the day that you will have taken things to the next level. You don't need females, you don't need friends, you don't need booze, you don't need sex, you don't need fancy clothes. None of the above are bad. None of the above are good. Just don't let them keep you from enjoying life. Think about fat girls (America has plenty of them!). Their master is food. Food dominates them. They lust after it and they hate it. It causes all kinds of repression and mood shifts for them. For some of you, females have become your food. Think about it. They are your masters. They decide how you live. What you wear. Where you go. What you say. Sad if you ask me.

Nobody did ask you, if you need non of those things why the hell do you keep posting the same thing over and over in every thread you read and NEVER make something relevant to the actual topic.

Mass approachs isn't PUA, its statistics. Any idiot can talk to every women he sets eyes on and just by pure chance a few will actually like him. It takes skill to open a few and get them. Quality > quantity.

OK I can see this is being misunderstood.

Approaching and opening women is neither creepy or charming, the adjective is a product of the experience she recieves.

Which is dictated by you.

As for mass approach I concur with madals, frankly I learn one set a time, I'll do one set after closing I will walk away half an hourlater, I have reached another thought on cold approaching and PU.

Good post. I agree with alot of what your saying, But,
I think when you are first starting out its a good idea to
do mass approaches. It will help balance the negative and
postive reactions you get. Your at a high level in your game
so you are already getting good results so mass approaching
really isnt important, but I think when your newer it is. When
your just starting I think you should approach approach approach
as much as you can.

True you need a kickstart if your not normally social, but theirs no need for doing 30 approaches a day.