Im great at being a jerk to girls, in a teasing way. It works great on the hot ones that know there hot.
But there is this girl, who is real pretty 8.5, shes shy and not very confident. There is no reason she should be like that but it part of who she is.
Anyway, i tried to game her like i do other HBs. Cocky, careful compliments, lots of teasing. Which always works wonders
but on this girl It totally backfired, now when i talk to her(we still talk alot) she always has this mean attitude towards me and wont let her guard down or really open up.
How do you treat girls like her, it seems she would react better to afc stuff?
I think now she thinks im a jerk, i cant read her. Its too bad becuase she was really cool and i liked her but i think its too late now, i think shes turned off. I used to get some IOIs but not now.
Is there anyway to fix this???

yeah ive noticed the same thing. pretty close to the same situation as you.

like even when its a little joke anyone would get, she gets offended by it type of thing?

it frustrates me to beyond belief lol

anyone have thought on this???????????

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shes totally losing her interest, is there anyway to recover from being a jerk????

For such girls, I have noticed that a bit of attention out of the blue helps. See, these girls don't like you being jerks in public, so you need to reverse things here.

Pretend to be the nice guy here, and surprisingly nice. For example, if you make a mean joke in a group, and she snobs away, just grab her hands (not in an aggressive way, rather in a tender fashion), but still say something lovingly, "Oooh, I shouldnt have probably said that". Sadly this is the time that you need to givesome attention back, and not pull away too much.

However, when you are alone, again, surprisingly, be a jerk, and I don't mean in words. I mean by actions. Grab her suddenly, and say something weird, but not tasteless. This would leave her clueless.

However, the bottom line is, that girls like these are harder to control if you are just looking for a fling, as simple as that. In the manner described above, they give in easily, but they dont let go easily either.

i just started this PA study (so awesome), so im a total AFC i guess?

So anyways, my suggestion might be AFC'ish,

suggestion:
you already talk to her, so the hard part is already over, so keep talk to her but now as a friendly nice guy, just make sure you invite her out the very next time u see her. This is so that u don't fall into the friends zone. It should work, this will intrigue her, she'll be like WTF, why is he so nice all of a sudden. And if she denies, well then

WHO CARES!


anyways my opinion,
lets wait any see more suggestions

OK, you basically answered your own question. You started by saying the cocky/neg works on the hotter ones because they know their hot. You also mentioned this 8.5 your trying to game, is shy and low confident. The whole point of NEG's is in a sub-concious way, brings down the confident level of a girl.

Now if one is already low, you don't need to do that. You need to compliment her to bring her confidence level to a point where you can work with it.

Hope this helps

why would you want a girl with low self esteem anyways??

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Just a shot in the dark, but it could be one of these things:

1. Low maintainence (sp?)
2. He finds her physically attractive
3. Its a challenge?

In circumstances like this, give her a chance to qualify herself. Have a conversation about her, and find things that you can connect on. (or pretend to ) Ambitions and dreams are a good one here - followed with you know? I think you'd be really good at that, you have that XXX. (Energy, logical thought process, drive, whatever)

You've qualified her a bit without telling her you want to rail her because she's hot... If her self esteem is that low, she wouldn't believe you anyway!

As it has been said, build her up a bit to something you can work with.

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I like her becuase she really a great girl. she also a good girl, too, i always fall for them!
Maybe low self-esteem is the wrong word, she's just not concieted, into herself, she doesnt realize how pretty she is

Thats good advice, building her up.
I have a hard time doing it though without seeming afc. It's something im not naturally good at it. How do you do it without seeeming afc