Ok then. Lets get this back on target. I will summise my opinons.

I would have recommend PUA Training last year. However, over the 18-22 months in between. Through a combination of reading other forums and reviews. Taking a super summit event, some momentum training and buying a eBook and a paperback. And of course the 20/20 that is hindsight. I have come to one conclusion.

The company has demonstrated IMO that they cannot teach PU skills well enough to justify spending money with them. Gambler has never shown myself, other students or others a satisfactory close in any environment. Day or Night. And that's neither in real life nor on any short internet video. (There is NO close or training benefit in this video despite advertising it as such http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ydkoyWtchJ0 ) Also the trainers he has hired to replace the more experienced guys (eg Beckster) who have left have less than adequate experience/ability or even training manner. (eg Kezia and Richard Mac)

Combine that with a fairly agressive advertising campaign, high on hyperbole, low on proof of ability. And the fact he now owns this forum to advertise his products on nearly EVERY thread. Makes me even less likely to recommend them.

If someone asked me to recommend an English mPUA to take any training with it would be Adam. He consistently puts his information out there for free. Be that forum posts, a SPAM call, detailed field report videos and eBooks. He very rarely advertises his products, preferring to let his reputation do it for him. The complete opposite of PUA Training.

Chief: Is that impartial enough?

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Well said RR, I totally agree with you.

You forgot something... Adam Lyons represents PUA Training.

...In America.

I told you America is awesome. We steal everything awesome you guys have.

Ok Chief I agree Adam Lyons dose work for pua training but one good guy dosent make up for the rest of things.

Maybe I should just come to America if all the best pick up instructors are there. are there companies that do 1 week bootcamp courses in USA?

So far Gambler's the only guy I've heard of that does "residential courses" like that. Most bootcamps and workshops only last the weekend.

I didn't forget. I would just pay him through his own company www.attractionexplained.com not PUATraining.

I like a million others got the DVD box set email today. Wow theres only going to be 1000 sets. Oh wow. There's not 1 actual live approach on the trailer. Looks like its just the seminars filmed, and put on DVD. And how exactly will the same stuff we all know going to "Change the game forever" Can you spot the Hyperbole?

I did however, forget to point out that the Approach NLP product you have is NOT Gambler but Ben doing it. Gambler claims to be a NLP practioner (I hear the course isnt particularly difficult) Yet its Ben who makes these products as he knows the subject backwards.

What concerns me Chief is that you haven't taken any of these courses yet feel you can say they are great for newbies. Every report I hear about the residential course (£3K/$4.5K) says its just a series of 1on1s at an average of 6 hours per day for 5 days then a bootcamp tacked on the end. That the students on them (well the ones that write reviews) say they feel great at the time. But as time passes get buyers remorse that the training wasn't up to standard. That its closer to 55 hours not 70 as claimed. And thats worrying. Especially if PUAT is specifically aiming for newbies as they don't know the differences.

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Every major pickup company has used these exact same marketing tactics to much success. Of course PUAT is going to do that.

's advocate

I know. And I understand that saying:

"We filmed our last 3 seminars. To come on them would have cost under £300*. Its just a re-hashing of MM, as some of our company don't actually have proven Game"

Probably wouldn't shift the product.

Having said that, its no good making false representations either. (as with the eBook previously) Students at a seminar didn't make massive improvements. (I went to the 1st seminar). It just re-inforces the belief that having lots of theory will get you laid. People haven't "paid up to $7K to hear this stuff" I also don't appreciate "Brad" sending (co-erced) a spam mail to all this forums users saying "these guys are the real deal buy this product" when other, more active users, from other companies don't get the same SPAM. Hardly in the spirit of impartiality...

* I'm not privvy to how much the DVDs will cost. I expect it will be close to £4-500 ($750 or so, at current rate) And that's not great value for money. Anything under £250 will be though (just)

Having said that the trailer is a masterstroke as it actually manages to get a shot of Kezia smiling. Watch ANY other Youtube vid of her and find that! LOL

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I noticed the same. I know all the professional PUAs recommend each other. Still, it would have been appropriate to actually mention the ownership-relation in the e-mail.

I rate a BC far higher than a Seminar. At least there's Infield work. Seminars are ultimately as good as sitting and reading some info from somewhere.

Actually doing a few approaches, coupled with a couple of easy to learn openers. I think that proved to myself that actually it isn't difficult to talk to a girl in Trafalgar or Leicester Square or in a nightclub. If I'd just spent the money on seminars or ebooks or whatever, I don't think I would have properly addressed by AA.

As we all know you can read info until your head is spinning but you still need to ACTUALLY do something to improve.

Obviously I can only comment on my BC. Which I enjoyed. But will add, the product I bought, isn't neccessarily the same quality as the one people have been buying for the last 18 months.

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I'm still alive
Yes I dont work for puatraining currenty haven't for about 6 months and only did a couple of hours there for the 6 months before that, maybe I'll make products for them in the future but at the moment really working on my own seminars, bootcamps etc

Pete is new on puatraining a freind of mine and very good, adam is great too we worked together when adam first first 3.5-4 yrs ago in school of seduction old company was a wicked laugh there.
I did see Gambler kiss close too

But anyway back to me lol

I will start posting on this forum now as i'm back in the game

Beckster

p.s feel free to ask any questions i'll try my best to reply, i will log in one a week at least.

This is quite interesting news to me. I attended the bootcamp on 7/8 february as a complete novice to all this. All I can say is that in the bootcamp all the instructors blew my mind with advice and tips that I at first did not believe would work and then was forced to use to great effect.

I am 33 and completely new to this whole world. Whilst I can't afford to do the residential I could afford the bootcamp and all I can think is that I wish I had done it sooner for the positive changes it has made in me. I had been successful in my career and felt that with my 34th birthday approaching that it was time to get my love life in order.

I arrived at noon at met the rest of my fellow "students" and we went to the bar where the training was to take place. Gulliver was our first trainer giving us a run down of the weekend and warning us that our trainers would be taking us out to get numbers at 3pm.

Gambler then arrived and gave us a fantastic lesson in body language, how to approach and some kino techniques. We did a lot of stuff and practiced with feedback from Gulliver and Gambler. We also had some training showing transition to kissing which involved Jess and Gambler. Lots of rehearsal later and we were ready to go. Will arrived to take me and an Irish lad out into the street to approach girls and get numbers using the initial techniques. During this time in field I got two numbers one from a pretty 18 year old and a second from a stunning Malaysian/US girl. My wing managed to get the number of a girl sat on her own. Will even came over to the 2 girls I was chatting to and got one of their numbers. All good stuff.

On return to bar we were split into 2 groups in which I initially was learning dancefloor stuff, which was awesome (thanks Gulliver I finally managed to pull that off this weekend). Then it was in at the deepend with the Hot bodies, which was rock, feedback from the girls who were totally honest (thanks Marina and Jasmia) and provided me with a much needed kick in the arse, especially the feedback from Gerry (more of later).

So absorbing all that feedback me and Irish guy went out into the night with Jason to a club. Then it all kicked off, Jason gave us individual missions to carry out and it was perfect, me and my Irish friend were just having a ball, I met some AMAZING women, including 19 year old au pair, the 2 lithuanian girls, the group of 3 18 year olds one of which I kissed closed (blew my mind that that would happen to me so I forgot to get her number ) and my Irish friend kissed a dutch girl, who was texting him all the way on the nightbus lol.

Sunday I was on a high, and so we went into more stuff this time from Jess who dealt with some amazing bedroom stuff and general how to treat a lady (Jess I can never thank you enough for this info). Gulliver gave us some fantastic conversation stuff. Dharam gave some tips on once you have the date then closing the deal at home. We were back out in the afternoon this time my Irish friend and I were with Gerry who again had specific tasks. I got the details of a very attractive girl studying economics and my colleague got the details of a girl in a store with her boyfriend!

Back at the bar we covered lots of inner game stuff with Vito and Gerry did lots of stuff on social circle and inner game. Pete was there who gave us some good fashion ideas/styles as did Gerry. Matt H did a great final hour which gave me some great internal strength.

Then back out. I approached a beautiful chinese girl waiting for her boyfriend, unfortuntely I did not get her details but that's when Irish guy noted that he had just fallen in love with an Ana Kornikova (sic) lookalike who was with a rather gorgeous girl, so we approach and it turns out they are sisters on holiday from Austria, much building then Gerry comes over and says a load of our friends will be at a bar, so we go over with Gerry and get drinks, at a bar, much conversation and touching we then move over to another bar, my friend takes his sister to another part of bar and kiss older sister. Great night. Plus older sister is still texting me flirty texts at moment.

So what did I think? Well I learnt a lot, had a great weekend, made new friends in the students and met some hot girls. Also learnt that when your balls are literally in your mouth, then it is a great feeling. I also think that I came in as a novice and that was a great strength as I put all my effort into getting over my uncomfort with approach. Also there were no "lines" just learning to be more natural and observational (Gulliver/Gambler/Dharam/Jess/Pete/Gerry all drilled this in). I now KNOW that I can approach any girl and number close (as I did last night at Tesco in my tiny home town). The whole weekend blew my mind as to what I should be doing and everyone who knows me is so amazed by my transformation in two days.

I can't speak for anyone elses experience but I am loving the life this course has given me, I only wish I did it earlier. I am more confident, I dress better (thanks Pete/Gerry- Got so many compliments from girls and guys this weekend), and everyone loves talking to me. From what I have seen now I am deep into the "scene" I wouldn't change the course, I am not reading palms or rings (since read the game and the rules and sorry Neil I can't see it working for me); I am approaching girls and surprising them with a great/fun conversation and enticing them with the possibility of a great time. I would like to thank everyone at PUATraining for the life I now have.

Moved this thread to its own topic as asked

It's not flaming, but making a new thread for this topic would have been a more appropriate move since you aren't reviewing a "Gambler Bootcamp."

Ok, will do.