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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:44 pm 
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Dear RR,

No worries buddy!

AFC Adam,


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Dear File,

Thanks mate, I made it myself actually its my very first one! Its not perfect or the best design out there but I put a lot of work and love into it.

Yeah bud, its all on my website have a wonder through and check out all the free material, I tried to put up as much free stuff as possible and will continue to do so!

AFC Adam,


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Dear Sultry,

Remember that openers dont actually matter all that much, its the transition that counts. Run game when you get opened, how you do it depends on what style you're going with. If it was the beginning of the night and you were social proofing the venue, you'd introduce yourself talk for a couple mins and then leave for another set. If it was towards the end of the night, you'd go direct and escalate as quickly and smoothly as possible.

The point is there is no magic line (even for the fro) stick to developing game and when you get opened its even easier :)

AFC Adam,


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Dear EclipseE,

I know what you mean buddy, I also have a bad memory, a really bad one! The reason most people have trouble remembering routines is because they dont understand what the routine is meant to achieve. There are 5 types of opener.

Compliment -
When opening with a compliment it's important not to compliment
a girl on something she hasn't earned herself. Her natural beauty is
unlikely to be something she worked for. You should instead comment on
something more obscure, such as her sense of style or the way she walks. However, the real trick is to be specific about the compliment and explain why you feel this way.

Functional
These openers are designed to get a conversation started in the
simplest way possible, by asking normal questions about locations or
events.

Opinion
These openers are one of the easiest to pull off as they encourage
the girl to take the weight of the conversation after the open. They should
always be based upon a real event in your life, or something you were just talking about. You should always have an opinion opener ready so you have something to open with.


Situational
These openers are the easiest to do, and can generate some really
impressive results. Make a statement about something you've observed in
the area to someone standing next to you, then continue the conversation
from there.

Direct
In this situation you're seeking to be as direct as possible without
giving them the chance to get rid of you. This can be a very high risk
choice as when it does work it works incredibly well; if it doesn't you find
out really quickly. If you do this too often and you can end up committing
social suicide.

All of these are just to break the ice, from there you want to transition and run game.

Hope this helps buddy :)

AFC Adam,


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Dear PUAdave,

Mate you are in a real tough position, not so much in a game sense but more in an ethical way. I know you said you have no moral problems with gaming a girl who is in a relationship. Me personally I would never get with a girl whos in a relationship as I think its not cool no matter what the guy is like but im not going to lecture you, its your life and your situation.

The problem is in the girls image of herself, she sounds like a cool girl she hasnt actually done anything with you despite liking you, she has interests, shes fun. Generally a good person right? Thats the problem. She wont want to do anything with you while she is with her boyfriend as that would make her a cheater and go against her good morals.

If you do anything, even if she gives in she'll most likely regret it fully when its over and chances are she wont want to see you again because you'll be the reminder that she is a bad girlfriend.

My advice to you is to tell it like it is and be clear where you stand, tell her how you feel and then tell you wont do anything about it because you dont want her to feel bad about herself or you as a result. Then ljbf her.

If the boyfirend is as much of an idiot as you say he is then the relationship will come to an end and she'll have a lot of respect for you because you chose to protect her even though it cost you a “result”

Sorry if you were looking for specifics to get the girl buddy but this is one of those areas for me that I wont cross and dont recommend anyone else crossing either, please let me know how it goes :)

AFC Adam,


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Dear Rouk,

Im going to say pretty much the same thing as i've said to PUAdave. I really really would never break up a couple for my own benefit, I think its a bad thing to do. I understand you like her buddy but you have to understand that anything you do ie date, kiss, sleep together... anything outside of friendship will completely destroy your connection with her as it would go against her principles. She's told you flat out that she cant be with you (despite liking you) because she is in a relationship. She sounds like a cool chick and for her to remain a cool chick she cant do that to her bf.

Sure you could run game and escalate, maybe you'll get laid but I promise you it wont lead to any further connection with her buddy.

My honest advice is ljbf her then keep her as a friend, when your out together use her as social proof and get other girls. Dude girls come and go, friends are important.

Let me know how it goes,

AFC Adam,


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Dear AFC Adam:

I have to say what you are doing here is amazing and I think we all really appreciate it. My question is about transitioning from the opener to DHV's or storytelling. How do you do it? My situation is that I'm a very shy person who has trouble holding a convo. I have the confidence to approach but beyond a 2 minute convo, I go nowhere and it's frustrating. I'm someone who is really good at modeling. If I can see and learn from someone else doing it, I can repeat it with success but without the option of having someone to show me what to do, I'm stuck. Any material or exercises is much appreciated. It's basically the big thing that's holding me back.


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Dear Dang1991,

Wow thats an incredible situation buddy but we can work with it! :)

What you need to do is take the role of the social connector, be the guy that everyone asks when the next party/event is going to happen. Be the guy thats always got something fun and interesting planned and can invite people to.

Firstly create an event, something that the people you want to hang out with will like. Then make it happen. Keep this event a regular thing, make sure you invite as many girls as possible. There should always be more girls than guys, thats the rule. Stick to it.

If you can arrange everything and do it on a regular basis, your social value will go through the roof as the guys will love you for hanging out with so many chicks and allowing them to come along and the girls will love you because you lead them and everyone else.

First things first, decide what your event will be. Then set it up so that people will want to come.

Hope this helps,

AFC Adam,
Dear Adam,
thank you so much for your advice. I really don't want to bother you again because I know you are a very busy man and this is completly volunteer but I tried the possibility in your answer before and it didn't work for me. I know a lot about you and most of your technicques therfore I tried it all before but I failed. My situation is a little bit different: I'm not allowed to drive. We have 40 seniors at our school and this is such a small area, everybody knows each other and the form to their own groups together. I tried to set up events but I failed because the different groups doesn't like to come in touch with each other and I don't have much possibilities to meet other girls outside the school because the different villages are so far away. I can only make events for my school, but we have a very small school and the different groups doesn't come together. I hope you can understand my situation a little bit better!

With great honor,
Dang1991


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So I've been getting to know this girl since like october and we finally got together about a month ago and our now pretty much a proper couple which is cool cos I really like her.
After a few weeks of us seeing eachother it was my birthday and she cooked me dinner round hers, after the dinner we made out quite a bit nad after quite a bit of effort on my part I finally got to finger her. Problem is since then we haven done anything sexual apart from make out at the end of the night when we say goodbye.
It almost seems like she's not a very 'sexual' person, even when we make out she stops it after like a minute. We often end up on my bed and are just cuddling, I try kissing her but she pretty much keeps her mouth shut and its really difficult to escalate it any further.
Basically I really want to talk to her about it, find out if she has a problem with heavy affection and sexual stuff but i'm not sure how to go about it, or even if to talk about it with her at all. If i should, should it be really direct or should i make a comment the next time she pulls away or whatever?

Sorry if its quite vague but its quite a complicated situation to be in and i just need to know how to take things further with her. Thanks in advance.


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Hey Adam, and all the guys!

So I'm getting the hang of this stuff, it's just that there are times when I probably come off negative or needy (But I think i can work on that). My BIGGER question is:

What if I'm getting no compliance, maybe even getting pushed away - in other words she REALLy seems to not want to be talking to me. How do I turn tables around? And get her to pay attention.

It's not that it happens once or twice, it happens a lot. I think it's a problem with how I come off, but generally I try to be positive and all that. So how do I change how i come off in my interactions, so that I am positive but non-needy, and so that I can grab attention despite the negative compliance?


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This is a perfect oppurtunity to nail this HB9.5 but i need some help with it, please adam:

So first off im 19, and this chick i work with is 25 (HB9.5). that really doesnt matter but just thought id throw it in there, now i have seen This girl like 2 times tried to iniciate convo with her once and see basically just kinda blew me off which is fine i handled it the PUA way. anyway secret santa time is upon us and guess who i draw..HER! YES! what better way to lay some game down, heres the delema i dont know what would be a good gift to get her in the end and what are some little joke like ideas i can do to give her hints as to it being me that will build comfort, rapport, DHV, and attraction? PLease help the party is the 22nd of december. (sidenote im the DJ at a roller rink, she rarely works)


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Adam, the man who seduced Eve..

Bro, i genuinely appreciate all the effort you are putting in helping the community (im damn sure every other guy out there thinks the same).
Far from making it a long useless post, i think alot of ppl suffer from this without even knowing.
U knw man, something weird is happening to me..i discovered a part of me that is holding me back. I can totally identify myself with what is called a "fear of succes". And it sucks more then not being able to get women! Trust me. It screws ur changes of progressing in every aspect of ur life(studies, relationships, family, hobbies..) Actually, u screw it up for urself. I happened to knw, cause i research alot when it comes to stuff i dunno abt.
Ill give you 2 simple personal examples of this problem in action:
-In the last couple of months, i met 3 girls that cldve became gf(obvious BIG IOI) (and thats actually what i want, LTR). But i became picky, and ended the interactions. Im getting IOI from a girl that i really fancie and i want to make things happen, but im scared of screwing it up, even though nothing started! (Btw, the big difference between fear of success and failure, is that one ur not sure abt ur potential and you're afraid of failing, while the other u knw u've got so much potential, yet you lock them in a box. SUX!)
-There was an art competition in my area, the first prize was 400$, then 200 then a hundred. After looking at the entries, i swear i couldve won the competiton without sweat. But no. I chose to "miss" the deadline. I missed it on purpose.

I tell you this because you've helped me before, and i trust in you. N' u never knw, maybe one day this will be usefull for a newbie (:
Anw before getting into pickup, i have to fix this.
If you knw anything abt this and how to cure it (video, books) or if u relate to it by any mean, ill be forever grateful for ur help bro.

Much love mate, :idea:

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Hi Adam!

Great thread mate, it's really awesome the amount of time and effort you put into helping out other people with their game! Keep it up buddy, it's appreciated!

You may have answered this already elsewhere, but here goes:

You talk a lot about the importance of adding value when you open. I'm a big fan of day game and can see how one can add value to a situational opener by simply making the woman laugh. What I want some help with is working out how to add value when using functional openers? - they seem, by their very nature, to be about taking value (asking for information). Do you have any examples of functional openers that add value?

Thanks for your help!


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Hi Adam

Can I ask you for your top meta game/social proof tips.

This is quite a new concept for me but well believe in its power as I already have a freind who uses similar tactics ie he literally chats to everyone at some point in the club/bar and basically has the pick of the girls at the end of the night. After reading a lot of your work I have become increasingly interested in this social proof concept.

I started off looking at mysterys work which is great but feel a lot more comfortable using natural tactics rather that canned material and routienes etc which is why I am drawn to your work


So my questions are

1) What sort of one liners or small talk so to speak is good to use when creating those 30 second interactions with people when proofing a venue. What sorts of things are good topics to chat about without lowering value etc What are your top 5 tips on social proof

2) Also how will you know you have enough social proof built up in the venue to make direct moves on your targets and start with the comfort/attraction/escalation process etc is there a point when you should know you have enough proof built up in the venue to make a direct move into comfort building

Cheers

Mike (London)


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Hey adam, a question that both me and Madals have been pondering on.

A problem with being good looking, confident, and "charming", is intimdation (I promis you, we are not too arrogant), not on arranging day two's but getting some (shy girls) to stop.

"Hey, do you think my scarf makes me look gay, and do you think it fits the outfit?"

"No, it looks fine with what your wearing, IOI *walks away*"

It's literally like a 3 second responce before she leaves. 90% of the time we are sure that she is interested. But seeems uncomfortable talking, i's our theory that she is feeling intimidated.

Same thing happens to some guys who are shy or AFCish, they avoid the hot girl at the checkout, becuase they are worried they will mess up.

Kinda like an AA for girls, except it is not the approach, it is the interaction.

How would you go about creating comfort in that 3 second window, enough to allow yourself to build further comfort? And then run some game.


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