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yeah, good taste is totally weirds.
I'll say...did u notice the J brother on the right has yellow shoes!? :lol:


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yeah, good taste is totally weirds.
I'll say...did u notice the J brother on the right has yellow shoes!? :lol:
Yo, did you also notice he's being fought over in Hollywood right now by some of the hottest girls in show business?

I suppose there's something to my post on style. Not only did I purposely choose stars who are infamous for good taste... they are infamous for breaking hearts.

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hey zip. need some input.

im a metalhead and dress accordingly - jeans, black band shirts and sneakers. any ideas on how i can dress nicely but still keep my rocker image? i dont dress like a goth or whatever and i'm fairly good looking (no long kurt cobain hair or anything) but i feel like im constantly dressing down. the problem is, dressing up doesnt suit my personality. girls seem somewhat shocked when they find out that im a rocker (and in a metal band) because i supposedly look like a jock. any ideas? i was thinking of getting some designer jeans that still look a bit rocker-ish (polo sport seems ok), then some vintage band shirts (like led zeppelin, the clash, acdc, rolling stones etc) some black brogues (or maybe some converse all-star type stuffs?) and then finishing it off with a nice, slim blazer (i'm tall and skinny)

then, the other thing i've been wondering, do girls care what type of music you listen to? i've only ever dated rocker girls so i dont know what the rest of the female population's perception of guys who listen to metal/hard rock/hardcore/punk. should i maybe play down my love for extreme music? im very passionate about music (play drums, guitar and bass) and metal is my first and only love.
any comments or advice?

btw - i think its awesome that you're helping out here in the community.
Here's the general rule: You always want to dress up for the occasion. If the invitation to a party says black tie, you wear a white blazer. If it calls for white blazer, you wear tails. If it calls for a button down, you wear a dinner jacket and tie.

You want to stand out for being on a level above everyone else rather than a level below. It's about value.

Now, how do you compromise that with your own personal rocker style, which is an extension of who you are? Dress up your bad-ass style just a bit, and you'll be standing out for all the RIGHT reasons.

Invest in expensive jeans. It's worth it. They need to make you look like a bad-ass. They can't be too baggy. Diesel or Lucky or any mid-end jeans store would be best. If not, go to Gap. Polo sport... hmm.. make sure you either take a girl with you or get a girl's opinion while you're shopping. Not just any girl. Find a girl who knows what she's doing and become her best friend.

You answered your own question... the way to dress your rocker look up is to pop on a blazer. It's a bad-ass look, and one that I personally rock when I go out in the fall. Look, the Jonas brothers are stupid, but their stylist is the fucking best in LA.

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Another style that is also fun to play around with is a rocker dandy (like Beau Brummel.) Think mixing up pieces like vests, suspenders, ties, skinny ties, pocket watches, pocket squares.... with your own rocker pieces. The jonas brothers demonstrate again:

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Russell Brand's style is impeccable and sexy:
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WARNING: Be careful that you get these pieces in proportion, in good taste, and in materials and styles that don't project cheap. These guys in the picture below are an epic fail:

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Why? Because the ties are out of porportion (except for the one in the vest,) the colors and patterns are disharmonious in a bad way, the materials look cheap, and the tailoring on the shirts looks like it's from the 70's.

As far as music... dude, like what you like. I like everything. I listen to everything from NIN to Bjork to John Mayer to Black Sabbath. It's good to be well versed in what's a huge hit on the radio, just so you don't look like you live in a cave, but don't change your tastes so you can get girls. Positively augment your taste and become a more cultured person.

As far as what girls like... they're going to be into what's on the radio and what's being played in clubs. Then, as you get to know them, they're just human beings who like whatever they like. Also depends on their cultural background.
If I might jump in with a few thoughts?

(with my apologies to Zip for perhaps speaking out of turn)

Some other rock style icons for you guys to perhaps check out (especially HxC87x, and other hard n' dark-rockin' dudes): Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds (all of 'em, seriously), Andrew Eldritch (The Sisters Of Mercy), Peter Murphy (Bauhaus), Joe Strummer (The Clash/The Mescaleros), Brian Setzer (Stray Cats), Mike Ness (Social Distortion), Billy Zoom and John Doe (X), "Thin White Duke"-era David Bowie, Trent Reznor (NIN), Perry Farrell and Dave Navarro (Jane's Addiction, not counting the times they were "rockin' dresses" onstage), Joe Perry (I've never seen this guy not look sharp, even if Aerosmith's best music was their early stuff!), Slash, Iggy Pop (when he's intentionally going for suave, rather than insane/bleeding), and, for Metal guys, the immortal Lemmy Kilminster. Pick what you like from them, and adapt it to personally fit you.

Whatever you wear has to be truly congruent with you at your best...ya dig? You *don't* have to spend an arm and a leg, but, to quote Miz Zip:

"WARNING: Be careful that you get these pieces in proportion, in good taste, and in materials and styles that don't project cheap."

Also, if you are going to be thrashing, stagediving, crowdsurfing and slamming in the pit at a Slayer or a Hatebreed show (or any show where there will be majorly violent moshing--and YES, you can definitely meet gorgeous girls at these things!)--IMHO, don't think you have to "dress like a chump", but do wear stuff that will truly withstand the rigors of your expected environment, and bring a change of clothing (a spare clean black band t-shirt will do, and NOT of the band you just saw, ok?), some breath freshening strips/gum, and some deodorant for the afterparty. Keep your stuff in a messenger's bag, which you can either check in at coat check, or maybe leave by the merch table (if you ask very nicely, so be charming, guys! Merch girls are your friends!). After the show, wash your face in the men's room at the venue, change your shirt, make sure you smell clean, and wear your battle scars with pride! Own your frame with strength! 8)

Speaking of which, for hardcore/punk/metal environments, a cool messenger's bag is a nice and incredibly useful accessory (The Reload brand is a great one, and well worth looking into) to keep in mind...

I hope that all helped (and again, my apologies to Zip!)!

Up the irons, folks, and good luck! :twisted:

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lol i didn't notice ...damn u zip, now I got to go buy me some yellow shoes!


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Yo. She was flirting. Did she ever smile? You should have made her crack a smile and then motioned her to meet you over away from the boyfriend. You should have made it a game for her. If she didn't respond to it, she was just fucking with you and trying to weird you out for staring.

Sounds weird. Sounds fun.
My memory is a bit fuzzy but I don't remember her smiling at me. She just kept studying me with her eyes. Her boyfriend was so oblivious the whole time. He had no idea what was going on.

I wanted to do something about it but I felt so guilty in doing that while her boyfriend is right next to her. In the end, I felt pretty bummed out, though, that our climax of the whole staredown never went anywhere without a conclusion. Who knows if we see each other again. I kinda forgot how she looks like and all I know is that I don't really want to experience that kind of shame again.
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They're saying you're obviously a protector of loved ones. Make sure they're not telling you that you're too nice.
It's funny because I, myself, believe that I'm too nice but the person who said that to me thinks I'm an ass. :P

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I wouldn't worry about it Youth Riot. A stare can mean any number of things. You said you've seen her somewhere before? I think the most likely reason she stared is that you looked vaguely familiar to her and she was trying to place you. You should probably have said hi, but no harm done.

But if it was flirting stare, the fact is that she was flirting with a completely random guy while kissing her boyfriend. I mean, some people are ok with that behavior, but I personally wouldn't feel like I missed out on anything that great.


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hey Zip, hw's it going?
listen ive got this issue that i think (im sure) its standing in my way, not only relationship wise, but in every aspect of my life. (college, hobbies, sports..) btw i knw that here might not be the right place to write abt it, but for some reason i think a female is more likely to help me out, or at least guide me somewhere..i think i have a problem with success, i fear it..i fear success.
i always have this feeling that i can do alot (ALOT) more, but for unknown reasons, i dont.

i sure hope u can help, because this right now, is the main issue im working on solving..
thanks.

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Hey Zip,

I actually posted something on this in the Sticking Points section, but I thought it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it from a woman's perspective.

Anyhow, I travel around a lot to visit my friends. Sometimes they introduce me to girls, sometimes we just meet them while we're going out. Either way, I've always had a hard time progressing with these girls beyond basic friendly conversation. I don't know if it's because I personally see my time there as limited and I subconsciously hold myself back, or if the girls just become less responsive and interested because they know I will be leaving soon. I usually leave with people saying to my friends that they loved hanging out with me or I was such a great guy, but that only goes so far...

I guess what I'm hoping to find out from you is this: from your perspective, do women generally lose interest if someone is not going to be there long enough to form any kind of meaningful relationship? I feel the answer may be obvious, but it would be good to know if my lack of luck in this area is based on my own apprehensions (which I can hopefully fix) or if I am properly picking up on the negative vibes coming from the women. I'm not trying to land SNLs every time, but at least having some fun and maybe keeping in touch for the next time I visit would be cool.


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I wouldn't worry about it Youth Riot. A stare can mean any number of things. You said you've seen her somewhere before? I think the most likely reason she stared is that you looked vaguely familiar to her and she was trying to place you. You should probably have said hi, but no harm done.

But if it was flirting stare, the fact is that she was flirting with a completely random guy while kissing her boyfriend. I mean, some people are ok with that behavior, but I personally wouldn't feel like I missed out on anything that great.
No, I have never seen her before. I only recognized her boyfriend because I had him for a class.

I don't think I'm clueless when it comes to people checking me out. I'm just doubtful so I came to Zip for her clarification. :P

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hey Zip, hw's it going?
listen ive got this issue that i think (im sure) its standing in my way, not only relationship wise, but in every aspect of my life. (college, hobbies, sports..) btw i knw that here might not be the right place to write abt it, but for some reason i think a female is more likely to help me out, or at least guide me somewhere..i think i have a problem with success, i fear it..i fear success.
i always have this feeling that i can do alot (ALOT) more, but for unknown reasons, i dont.

i sure hope u can help, because this right now, is the main issue im working on solving..
thanks.
A lot of people fear success. I have the same issue.

We fear positive change in the future because it opens up a new set of problems that we fear not being able to solve. American culture focuses on THE PAST. Fixing the past, reliving the past, discovering the past. Put that with the expectations of the American Dream, and you've created a formula for disaster. Once we achieve success, it's either:

1.) the end of a journey. it gets boring after Cinderella and her Prince end up happily ever after. That's why the narrative ends.
2.) places you above friends and family and WILL change your relationships with the outside world.
3.) place you on a pedestal that others will try to tear you down from


From Psychology Today:
"All fears of success would go away if you totally took your power back. In fact, our very deepest fear is that when we really reclaim our power and succeed, we have to face the knowledge that we have always been powerful to change all along and that we could have changed a year or five or 10 years ago. Change comes from choice and we have always had that power." - Ti Caine, a hypnotherapist and life coach based in Sherman Oaks, California

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Hey Zip,

I actually posted something on this in the Sticking Points section, but I thought it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it from a woman's perspective.

Anyhow, I travel around a lot to visit my friends. Sometimes they introduce me to girls, sometimes we just meet them while we're going out. Either way, I've always had a hard time progressing with these girls beyond basic friendly conversation. I don't know if it's because I personally see my time there as limited and I subconsciously hold myself back, or if the girls just become less responsive and interested because they know I will be leaving soon. I usually leave with people saying to my friends that they loved hanging out with me or I was such a great guy, but that only goes so far...

I guess what I'm hoping to find out from you is this: from your perspective, do women generally lose interest if someone is not going to be there long enough to form any kind of meaningful relationship? I feel the answer may be obvious, but it would be good to know if my lack of luck in this area is based on my own apprehensions (which I can hopefully fix) or if I am properly picking up on the negative vibes coming from the women. I'm not trying to land SNLs every time, but at least having some fun and maybe keeping in touch for the next time I visit would be cool.
Dude, no way. Vacationing guys are hot as hell because it's like they don't count (for women.) We can be crazy with them and it won't get around that we're a little freaky in the bedroom.

You're not escalating kino, and pumping up sexual frame and buying temperature. That's got to be the issue because it's not the girls who are backing down. You are subconsciously apologizing for not being able to be around, viewing it as a negative, and broadcasting that you are sorry about it. Use your short trip as a way to amp up the exotic nature of a passer-by through town. You're a foreign cowboy, there to give the local ladies one night of excitement, then breeze right out of town.

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This is why i write here, ur fast and to the point...i appreciate that :)
Ive read that its a common problem nowadays, but its so frustrating..i mean whenever there's something i dont know abt, i immediatly google the shit out of it...im a student and a nerd when it comes to general knowledge. But i cant seem to find any direct way that talks about solving the issue...some say self-hypnosis(?)
Do u have any idea how to change that, a link maybe?
It looks like ur a pretty succesful girl, what did u do to "just go for it" and loose that fear?


P.S: i miss out on an art competition that i couldve easily won, i missed an oprtunity to win 400$ without sweat doing the thing that i love most..this is how serious it is.

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Cute, handsome, sexy.
3 compliments, 3 subtle difference?

I have been discussing this with a friend, many men dont find cute a bit wierd.

Could you explain if their is any difference, and does it matter which you are/if you could change how women view you.

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Dude, no way. Vacationing guys are hot as hell because it's like they don't count (for women.) We can be crazy with them and it won't get around that we're a little freaky in the bedroom.
I know you're right about this zip...but why are they so worried about what other people say? Anyway, the fears are unfounded. Unlike women, men don't usually tell each other everything about their lives. Most of us have moved on from being kids in the locker room.


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Dude, no way. Vacationing guys are hot as hell because it's like they don't count (for women.) We can be crazy with them and it won't get around that we're a little freaky in the bedroom.

You're not escalating kino, and pumping up sexual frame and buying temperature. That's got to be the issue because it's not the girls who are backing down. You are subconsciously apologizing for not being able to be around, viewing it as a negative, and broadcasting that you are sorry about it. Use your short trip as a way to amp up the exotic nature of a passer-by through town. You're a foreign cowboy, there to give the local ladies one night of excitement, then breeze right out of town.
Awesome, thanks Zip! That's definitely a different frame than what I've been perceiving, and I love the idea of being able to approach my short stay as a cool positive as opposed to a negative. I've got a similar "visiting friends" trip to Vancouver scheduled during the holidays, so I think that'll present a great opportunity to give it a go. Cheers!


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