I know where I live is unique when it comes to dating and relationships. But even thru all of the traveling I have done, I find this a bit hard to believe.
And I would agree with this logic that the above sentence I quoted is true. But if you look at the numbers. Girls out number guys 2:1 world population wise. Yes the actual ratio will vary on a local level. But because there are less guys there is more competition among us to get the hot girl. So when we do get one we have to make sure we hang on to her so that other guys won't take her away. Just look at how many guys here have no problem stealing girls that are already in a relationship with another guy. Morals aside I would say this security you mention is more of a false security due to the competition amongst us guys. Plus if the girl is getting a lot of guys approaching her she can have her "pick" of the lot.
And to a certain point I do agree with this. Tho I would say the attractive girls almost don't need to DHV at all as a lot of guys put a lot of value in the looks department and nothing else.

I agree...but that is still settling because she doesn't actively choose who she talks to. She is merely picking the "best of the lot." Some women have a better lot to choose from, but it is still settling.
And to a certain point I do agree with this. Tho I would say the attractive girls almost don't need to DHV at all as a lot of guys put a lot of value in the looks department and nothing else.[/quote]

I do believe there are some shallow guys that place all value on looks...but I'd say a majority of guys place value on other traits in addition to looks---if he is intending on dating her, which is the point i made initially. If it is just a one night stand or whatever...the looks become more of a factor.

Heh, I'm totally going to be "that guy" here.

First, the sex ratio among humans (and most "single pair" mating species for that matter) is dead close to 50/50. The only time you see any major variation is after a war (all the guys are dead), or in countries with interfering social policies (like China or India, where males are valued and thus outnumber females).

Second, and seriously, this part of your argument makes absolutely no sense: If there are less guys and more girls, that would mean less competition for us guys. Not more. Think about it. I am fighting one guy to get my pick of three hot chicks, or three guys for the only hot chick, which is worse?


As for the actual topic, I would agree with you pretty much, Bonita. Looks are nice, but I (and most of my friends) are usually fairly picky about personality and attitude, etc as well. And the "cooler" a girl is, the more all of us wants her. HB9 vs HB7, but the 7 is outgoing, funny, smart, and sings jazz whereas the 9 is just a barbydoll on her way to the wrong end of hollywood? I'm going to have to go with the 7 here unless I just want to score.

And since we are talking about women and what they want, I think it's pretty safe to assume that they are looking to be a little more than just a piece of ass for the night. Not saying that women don't go after the one-night stands as well, they certainly do. But if they just want to fuck, all they have to do is use the popular iceland PU line "want to go home and fuck already?" --that or just lay on the kino nice and thick. Most guys will fall for that, as Bonita mentioned earlier.

Last thing, there is a surge of girls in scandinavia who use the game -its always been rather sexually liberal over here. Its funny when you realize a girl is gaming you, its kind of a turn on and its a blast to play back, but definitely, negging doesn't work nearly as well for women as it does for men. They have to be really nice about it, even back it up immediately with kino, or it backfires and the guy just thinks she's a bitch.

I skipped a bit but i think i have the gist. Also i havent been around lately been crazy busy with my business...so welcome to the forums Bonita.

I had a friend (also ex-boss's daughter) who was a serious UG..but she was through and through alpha. What she did/said was emulated and followed by all of her friends. She was also extremely social, and was constantly out with the girls or on dates.

It was actually amusing watching her get what she wanted simply because she said/showed she wanted it...it was even more amusing to see her try it on me and have her fall flat on her face lol.

I honestly think you need to exert more control over situations, while i agree women tend to hold a grudge more....this is merely an excuse for not taking control of the situations.

Now im not saying you have to do what id do in your situation. If i were out with my friends and they wana do/go somewhere and i dont want to, or i want to do something and they dont...i do it with or without them.

In your case it may be as simple as gradually building up more dominence and getting them to follow you without comming accross too assertive or abrassive.

As one person pointed out, walk ahead of them and pick the table, sit down...99% of the time they will just follow you.

Men and women alike, as a simple principle of sociology, want to be told what to do and how to do it, but in some case it helps if they think it was their idea or that they didnt have a choice.

I say work on becomming the alpha of your social circles...its a never ending battle but one well worth the rewards.

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holy shit

this is such a trivial thing until u guys started talkin about it
but i guess the leavin with ur pals is almost mechanical
and not thought about at the exact moment
this hasnt happned to me personally
but its good 2 know what i shood be prepared for
besides the millions of other things...
lik the earth being invaded by spiders or giraffes:P

BONITA!! even if ur girls r gonna bitch about it later, u shood tell em to shove it atleast
and if u act lik its not a big deal, then theyll prolly let it pass
and if they dont, then uhh...u know sum real fuckin uptight ppl:P

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