Huh? I come up with my own principles by seeing what works and what doesn't, not by some historical fact... or evolution.

A guy with huge confidence will do much better, than the guy with moderate confidence and some pu skills.

I say some cause somebody with great pu skills will most certainly be confident, since he knows what he is doing.

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The guy with confidence will get more women. We'll just have to agree on disagreeing.

Most guys without a whole lot of confidence don't even go up to girls, that right there makes it impossible to be better.

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I agree totally. Girls in general can tell how much confidence a guy has or doesn't have.

I think we should reach some level of concensus here.

Confidence alone doesn't makes PUAs succeed. Neither do Skills. When you have both in adequate proportions you can get girls. Here we disscus the "science"(art?) of picking up women. That means: to attract and seduce them. We can't seduce a girl if attraction isn't built. I belive that the primal force that drives any human sexual interaction is attraction. Any PUA in field knows that without attraction is impossible to get a target. I hope my point is clear enough (repeated the same many times ).

So....

Attraction is what makes Pick Up work.

Confidence and skills are just means to obtain an objective. You need confidence to aproach a girl, I agree on that one, but thats just willpower. Without willpower: I would not be able to aproach women, or even eat by myself. So don't overrate confidence, its not the primal force behind sexual interactions.

Attraction is nature's mechanism to make animals (and people) have sex and reproduce. In my original post I explained what evolution wants from us, a set of traits that make a girl wanna have children with a man. Many of those traits involved making the survival rate of the offspring the maximun possible. For humas the traits were those of a "good husband" with position and value.

Some of you posted that social settings and culture affect the attraction swichtes. Maybe girls just wanna have fun, Right?. So the good husband traits ate useless on girls that don't want to get into a long term relationship.

There are some evolutionary theories that hold a much more promiscuous scenario. Personally, I liked the good husband theories because my game fits better on it. (Don't get me wrong, I don't want to get married with any girl I pick up, I just use the stuff that works for me)

If someone has a theory of the evolution of attraction (when having multiple sexual partners increase survival of children), please let us read about it. That way we could have two different sets of traits, and see wich ones are common. So we could know wich work on field, and maybe even settle an academic debate.

Well, yea you need willpower to go talk to a girl. But without confidence you will fare poorly.
It's like my predecessor said, the girls will sense if you're nervous (and yes you will be nervous without confidence). Women (just as men) can sense this (obviously women are better at this), and it will make them uneasy or just nervous as well. Then you won't be able to run your game as smoothly since you lack confidence and are nervous.
LOL, "PRIMAL FORCE" (?) that would be to reproduce.
Attraction is too broad (undefined) of a term to be defined as "nature's mechanism".

But let me know when you guys have settled this. I will proceed of getting laid without any knowledge of evolution...
I'm not mocking you, I do want to know as well, I just know it will take probably more than my lifetime to settle this.

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If that was so. Does that make it right? Please, don't be condescending.

And yes I read the book 3 years ago, and I listened a couple of months ago to the audiobook. Awesome book, very entertaining.

Is it an Instructional book? No.

Maybe you are confusing internal conflict with external confidence. That's (in my book) what makes a man, be scared shitless and still not shake with the hand a bit.

You know what? Ask a seasoned PUA. Last time I talked to some PUG's confidence is indispensable.

I know from personal experience that was what used to bite me, I was too scared to approach, then when I was in set I couldn't really run material cause I afraid I would come of scared and my voice would tremble... omg, I can't believe used to be like that. Ok, I'ma switch topics ... cause that's just not fun to think of lol...

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Ok then, I guess we can kind of agree.

Obviously having both is the best way to go, but we were originally comparing confident guy with, a rafc/gpua with med. level confidence. And I would put my money on the confident guy to get more women!

About the external confidence. I guess it really depends on your definition. I mean I believe the "poker face" or external confidence (not fake confidence "to portray yourself as such") is confidence.

To answer the question no it's not Outer game, or is it? Either way you can act confident, but if you're not it will show...

To reiterate:
Take a afc or someone new to the game teach him all this stuff for like a month, most likely he will have bad inner game.

Then make him go up against a super confident guy, that just goes direct on women.

I will put money down saying the confident guy will get more numbers/ lays. No matter what evolution or whatever says.

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