Ok, I can't determine how she feels about you with that information, there just isn't enough there to dissect.

Like I said though, you moved to text, which just gave her the opportunity to flake on you easily. I would have waited 2-3 days after she hadn't replied and called her to establish more attraction and comfort, which is very hard to do over text without a good bit of both to start with. You obviously haven't hooked her enough, because she has yet to reply to you and it's 3 days after you texted her, so if you call her on Sunday, it might have been so long that she will have lost all connection.

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i still cant post anything in other categories, but i have a sticking point here: so today i went to a 21 club for the first time (im 19). i talked to a 9 waitress, i approached her with a joke saying she looks bored and she told me she works there so i said u dont get much tip do u. she laughed then i took her hand and switched position, now im leanin on the bar she stands, she was smiling and laughing and we told some jokes to each other. then she told me some bs story after i asked her to tell me something interesting. then i did the cube. alot of IOIs, even followed me to sit down. then we talked a little more, i figured it was time to close, so i did styles pen and note pad close, but when i give her the note she said shes not allowed to give costumer numbers, i kno i did something wrong here, but dont kno what. i did throw negs here and there so its not neg, and i had good body language as far as i can tell she was leaning into me. so i told her to stay longer and she did, then she brought up boyfriend so i was convinced i fucked up some where.

i was in a clothing shop today, and saw a HB8..she came up to me, as her job is just a sales assitant, but after i engaged in coversation with her, giving her a few negs bout her fashion sense and about the university she goes to but nothing over the top as i didnt want to insult her or come across as a prick!
she gave me a few indicators of interest by some light touching on my shoulder and arm, and i made her laugh so it was all good and we were in converse for bout 15-20 mins.

but didnt number close! after i paid, i jus said bye and "i'll catch you round some time" with a smile on my face. not a massive grin!

but was pretty exasperated that i didnt get her number, jus before leaving the store, wat should i hve done to get her number? without seeming overly desperate?

and does this interaction count as somewhat of a sarge?

cheers! D.K.

im having problems with sticking points i cant get off the topic of my opener without making it look like im interested even if i neg?? its annoying me cos my negs arent bad but the girl can always see that im interested!!

Sounds like she was attracted, but not enough to lose interest in her bf that she is probably in an exclusive relationship with.

I've sarged hundreds of women and many of them have had bfs. Many of those girls with bfs will see what another man is like if he appears better than their current bf, but not all of them, so when you are turned down and she has a bf, then assume the latter.

Good job, don't get discouraged by one girl rejecting you, doesn't mean you did anything wrong. You learn more from failure than you ever will from success, so look at what you did right and what made her more attracted and what you did wrong and what didn't work, then next time you will do even better on the next girl. Practice, practice, practice is all there is to it and not every woman is in a position to be picked up, doesn't always mean you made a mistake.

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It's good practice. Girls like that get hit on all the time and it is part of their job to act friendly, so I usually don't take anything they say seriously unless they stop acting like they are working and act like a normal person, not a sales person. I love using these people as practice, just like the shot girls and beer tub girls in the bars, but I don't try to number close any of them personally.

If you were interested in getting her number, then have a pad of paper and a pen, or your cell phone and just hand it to her, then say, "We should continue this later," or "I should let you go (not get back to work, cause that focuses her mind on the fact that you are a customer and back into her false persona), give me your number and we'll meet up later." You say this without sitting there and being needy watching her do it, you just stand there non-chalant. Works whether she is a hired gun or any other girl. You DON'T need to use a routine to get a number, or some special line, you just ask for it.

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Instead of going into a set with the intention of picking the girl up (this will be shown in body language and vocal tendencies), you just go in wanting to talk to them and learn about them. Once you are in the set, you just want to be having a good time, because this is about YOU having fun and that will make HER have fun.

From there, if your problem is that you are using these pre-planned openers and she is seeing that you are interested in her, then try dropping them and just talking to them like you would if you were talking to some people you are acquanted with. The pre-planned openers show a lot of effort if you don't make it sound totally natural, so instead you can just say, "Hi, how's it going?" and then start talking. You're being friendly is all.

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Im in High school and im after a goodgirl. I already approached her but I was super nervous the first few times. Tryed not to show it but I think she noticed. I have no idea whether she likes me anymore becuase shes always smiling. Not sure if its an IOI or its just the way she is.Havent ran routines on her or anything. I've just been normal. Im older and my value in the schools pretty high so i thought i had it in the bag. Shes one of those (straight A's kid) What can I do to make up for the weak approaches and what should i say to her? Shes never had a BF before either so what can I do to make her open up.

Talk to her like you would anyone else and don't keep thinking that she's special because she's "a good girl". Good girls are naughty on the inside and bad girls are often covering up their sensitive insides.

The key is to have fun and get her having fun. If she is having fun, then she will want to be around you, then you escalate the touching, starting with just friendly touches very early on and she won't see you as a friend, but as a potential for more. Then you just guide it in the direction of something more.

If you have any specific things that you need help with, feel free to ask me, or my partner The Saint serious-questions-gt-gt-solutions-from- ... 19627.html.

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I am also having a high school problem. I have this girl interested in me, and we are going to prom together. Problem is she relies on me to do most of the talking. I am fun with people I know but with this girl who I just gotten to know, its really hard to be fun or find somehting to talk about. Shes also a good student but I think does have a wild side! any help would be appreciated

You need to talk about things that she can relate to and then involve her by asking her how she feels about it, or whether that has ever happened to her before, etc. This will get her talking. Then you have stuff in her life to talk to her about, so now you can relate to that and she will relate to what you said about relating to what she said. Conversation under way.

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man thanks alot Rye, and since you are good I have another question for you.
How do you keep you alpha male when guys around you try to put you down? and can you point me in the right direction to finding more about how to tell stories to attract people. thanks

So last night I went to a frat party in my college, and # closed for the first time since I got into this community a month ago. 2 of my friends were playing beer pong against each other with a HB8 and a HB7, and I saw another HB8 standing there watching. So went up to them and stand right next to the girl who is watching and said hi to my friends first. Then I asked her why she was standing here, she looks so bored. So I called next game and asked her if she wants to play, and she said no. so I asked her if she’s a boring person and told her I ll show her something cool, so I did ESP on her and it worked like a charm. Now she’s a little more into me, so I asked her to tell me something cool, and naturally, she said she has nothing. So I said I can’t even talk to you, you are so boring, and turned my head, and guess what, 10 seconds later, she offered to tell me something funny, and her story was lame, and told her that. at this point, another guy came to the table and called next game. then I said I have next game, and I told her I don’t mind if she wants to play next, she said she doesn’t have a partner and of course that’s an IOI and an offer, so I accepted it. Then I told her a really good joke that made her cracking up. During the pong game we had a discussion of who should get the beer, and I told her she’s a sexist to think the guy should get the beer and I can’t even talk to her. I got the beer in the end, but she went to get beer the second time without me telling her. So the pong game went well, lots of negs and kino after each scoring. We won in the end.

I asked her to dance, she said she has to join friends, so I went to the dance floor and danced with other girls. Then I found her at the alcohol place and took a shot with her, then we danced, then she bounced again, and I found her dancing with some other guy. I don’t kno wut that means, so I took it as a shit test, so I did not wonder around, I just talked to my friends and danced with other girls while shes dancing, I thought she saw me but not sure. And this dancing with her then she bounce then I do something else cycle happened 2 more times. Then finally I was about to go, she was just sitting on the bench with those 2 girls and my 2 friends. I went there and sat right next to her and told her im about to leave, and I ll tell her one more interesting thing, so I started to do the CUBE, but when we were just on the second question, my friend Wing asked me to go, so I said sorry I have to go, but we can finish this conversation some other day, so I asked for her name for the 3rd time, and she told me its HOTTIE, I said I bet u don’t remember my name, she said she knows and ur name is COOLGUY. Then i put her name in my phone and I hand my phone to her and said, here HOTTIE, put ur # in there, I ll call u when I have time, she did. And I stood up and gave her a hug and bounced.

Some questions: she dances with other guys= shit test? Or not? Is she into me? What did I do well, what did I do wrong? When should I call her, and wut should I say? how long should the call be? should I still DHV on the phone and neg her, or should I just start build comfort? should I ask her out on the first call??

Hey, this is a shortened version of a thread i started that got no responses over here:
flaking-cancelling-dates-vt20503.html

Have been talking to an HB for about a month now from college, over that time got her digits, hung out after class a few times, lots of good conversation, teasing back and forth, bit of kino escalation, a few funny playful random late night texts. Asked her to hang out with me to do some shopping, she agreed but she had an exam the next week so she wanted to keep it short (3 hours) so she could head back to school to study later. After hanging at the mall, she says we can go out again after her exam, go to a better mall or something since we barely got any shopping done. I took that as a good sign.

Yesterday, she IMs me again, saying she was bored, had nothing to do. I told her I was busy studying...didn't talk to her much but I called her in the afternoon around 5pm, told her that I'm planning to study till 10pm, but that she should come pick me up from the college library at around 10pm and 'we will go on an adventure'. She agrees, and I tell her I'll call her back closer to 10.

I call her close around 9:40, no answer. I call back around 10:20, she answers saying:
HB: hey I can't come out actually, and my phone wasn't working when you called (kinda BS, her phone is working now, she coulda called me)
Me: i see. you should have called from home to let me know.
HB: well, i'm out right now - not in my car, so I couldn't call from home...I couldn't get my own car out tonight so I couldn't come, sorry
Me: well, have fun then (end call).

Her excuse seems pretty bullshit with the phone business, but it did seem like she was out, I thought I heard other people in a car with her talking. I just want to know, how would you react to her when you next speak with her? Would a PUA call her out on it, telling her how it was rude of her, and he doesn't put up with it -- or would he act as if it was no big deal, and he went out and had fun anyway without her (which I did).

I recently was at this party where you have to pay your drinks with these plastic coins (It's a terrible, terrible system...). Now I entered the building with an Alpha Male attitude (feet apart, smiley, strong posture, etc.) but as I had to stand in line for coins, I felt it was hard to maintain this attitude. Since my buddy's were already inside, I had no ways of socializing, unless I'd talk to the girls in front of me or the guys behind me. I couldn't do it because if conversation would die, I'd be "locked" in that position (considering that leaving the line is a major DLV). My question is: how would you handle a situation like this?

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